From: hex@unseen.ac.am 
  
 On 11/08/2025 10:15, billy bookcase wrote: 
 > "JNugent"  wrote in message news:mfsj8mFte 
 tU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 10/08/2025 10:15 PM, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:mfsc9uFs6deU3@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>> Yvette Cooper thanked police for their work handling Palestine rights 
 protests across 
 >>>> the UK on Saturday, saying there had been a "very small number of people 
 whose 
 >>>> actions 
 >>>> crossed the line into criminality". 
 >>>> 
 >>>> unquote 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Which implies that many people were arrested for actions that didn't 
 cross the line 
 >>>> into criminality. 
 >>> 
 >>> Which also clearly indicates that the Home Secretary is quite willing to 
 >>> prejudge issues of criminality;  which formerly were the sole province of 
 >>> the Courts to decide 
 >> 
 >> The police do have a bit of a role in it too. 
 >> 
 >> The formal model is that only people who can reasonably be expected of 
 having committed 
 >> an offence may be arrested. So an on the spot  judgment is called for. 
 > 
 > People are arrested, and then subsequently charged, on "suspicion" of 
 having 
 > committed an offence. 
  
 That's not wholly correct.  People are *arrested* by the police on 
 suspicion of having carried out an arrestable offence, which is defined 
 as one where the sentence is fixed by law, or where the sentence is not 
 fixed by law, meaning the judge can determine the sentence based on the 
 severity of the crime.  It does not apply to the vast majority of cases 
 heard by magistrates for example. 
  
 They are only *charged* on the authority of the Crown Prosecution 
 Service after it has reviewed the evidence and has concluded that there 
 is a greater chance than not of achieving a conviction at trial.  So, of 
 course still 'on suspicion' but after proper legal consideration not 
 just the police's say-so. 
 > Usually on quite reasonable suspicion.* 
 > 
 > Nevertheless it still remains for the police, via the CPS and prosecuting 
 > counsel to subsequently demonstrate in Court, to the satisfaction of a 
 > Magistrate or of a Jury, that their suspicions were indeed correct 
 > 
 > * Sufficient to return an 83% conviction rate in 2024. Discounting the 
 > possibility of deliberate fit-ups, miscarriages of justice; and in 
 > some cases undercover policemen acting as agents provocateur, 
  
 Actually, the conviction rate following arrest is pretty constant year 
 on year at about 53%.  You can look it up. 
  
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