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 On 16/08/2025 18:53, Norman Wells wrote: 
 > On 16/08/2025 13:28, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >> "Jethro_uk"  wrote in message 
 >> news:107pp4i$1d7qn$32@dont-email.me... 
 >>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 11:06:01 +0100, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> "Jethro_uk"  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:107pi8a$1d7qn$29@dont-email.me... 
 >>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 20:29:18 +0100, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
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 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Neverthelees it does make you wonder about the quality of the advice 
 >>>>>> she was given, if only by the duty solicitor. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> I think the fact she had a history of making inflammatory postings 
 >>>>> would have been highlighted to her as undermining a "moment of 
 >>>>> madness" 
 >>>>> defence. Whereas the acquitted ex councillor (presumably) either 
 >>>>> had no 
 >>>>> history, or was smarter in making sure he didn't leave a trail similar 
 >>>>> behaviour in his wake. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Also, despite the rhetoric, I suspect she knew that 12 people on a 
 >>>>> jury 
 >>>>> would not "back her". 
 >>>> 
 >>>> She wouldn't need 12. Only 3 
 >>> 
 >>> For a mistrial ? 
 >> 
 >> Er yes. 
 >>> 
 >>> You are aware that failing to reach a verdict is not "Not guilty" ? 
 >> 
 >> Er yes. 
 > 
 > No, it's not a mistrial, which implies some substantial procedural 
 > irregularity, but an inconclusive trial where the normal remedy is a 
 > retrial before a fresh jury. 
 >> It isn't "guilty" though either, is it ? 
 > 
 > No, it's neither. 
 > 
 > But it's worth saying that hung juries occur very infrequently in the 
 > UK, my research showing in just 0.7% of cases in 2008, more recent 
 > statistics not being available. 
 > 
 > Majority verdicts (at least 10-2)€€ occur in about 15% of cases. 
  
 I found some different stats, showing (for a subset of the data): 
  
 2.3% hung juries.  On retrial, 0.4% found guilty, and 0.01% not guilty. 
  
 This seems to imply that, following a hung jury, the CPS reconsiders the 
 files, and only around 1 in 5 cases goes forward for a second trial. 
  
 If selected for a retrial, the defendant might do well to plead guilty, 
 as 39 out of 40 such cases result in a conviction. 
  
  
  
 See para 2.6 here: 
  
 https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/126988/html 
  
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