From: max_demian@bigfoot.com 
  
 On 06/08/2025 08:57, Pancho wrote: 
 > On 8/5/25 19:31, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 > 
 >>> 
 >>> If I were to suggest that Netanyahu has tentacles in the White House, 
 >>> that 
 >>> it is over represented with Jewish people and this is evidenced by 
 >>> America's unquestioning support of Israel even when the world condemns 
 >>> what Israel is doing have I been antisemitic and, if so, what are the 
 >>> consequences? 
 >> 
 >> I suspect that this is a somewhat antisemitic point of view, in that 
 >> America's 
 >> support for Israel is much more squalid self-interest than it is a 
 >> consequence 
 >> of "over-representation" of Jewish people - but that is arguable I 
 >> suppose. 
 >> Especially by antisemitic people. 
 >> 
 > 
 > It is antisemitic in the same way that noting the earth revolved around 
 > the sun was blasphemy. 
 > 
 > The current IHRA definition of antisemitism is crafted to stop people 
 > saying things that are true. It is designed to stifle reasonable debate 
 > about Jewish influence, Jewish loyalty and the racist nature of Zionism. 
 > 
 > It is obvious that there is a powerful Zionist lobby in the USA and UK. 
 > It is easy to see that our society allows the very wealthy people to 
 > have a huge effect on the democratic process. 
 > 
 > It is quite hard to see how US support of Israel is in the US interest. 
 > It is hard to see how America benefits from the current genocide in 
 > Gaza. Actually, it is hard to see how Zionist Israel benefits. The only 
 > people I can see who benefit are populist politicians in Israel, and 
 > fanatical Palestinian politicians. 
  
 Don't forget that US Evangelists believe that Jews have to occupy 
 historical Judea in order the facilitate the Apocalypse, which 
 apparently is regarded as a Good Thing. 
  
 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/us-evangelical-chr 
 stians-israel-hamas-war 
  
 "One main strand of evangelical theology holds that the return of Jews 
 to the region starts the clock ticking on a seven-year armageddon, after 
 which Jesus Christ will return." 
  
 It's unclear what will happen to the Jews after Armageddon. They won't 
 be needed any more, and won't fit very well in Christ's "kingdom that 
 will never end". 
  
 -- 
 Max Demian 
  
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