XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: hex@unseen.ac.am 
  
 On 14/07/2019 17:44, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 > On 14 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote 
 > (in article ): 
 > 
 >> On 14/07/2019 12:54, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >>> On 14 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote 
 >>> (in article ): 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 14/07/2019 12:07, Pamela wrote: 
 >>>>> On 21:32 13 Jul 2019, Norman Wells  wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> On 13/07/2019 20:36, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote (in article 
 >>>>>>> ): 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> On 13/07/2019 11:07, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2019, Pamela wrote (in article 
 >>>>>>>>> ): 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> On 08:40 13 Jul 2019, Ian Jackson 
 >>>>>>>>>> wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> In message<0001HW.22D9288F002BB4A67000018152EF@news.giganews. 
 com>, 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Keema's Nan   writes 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Jul 2019, Ian Jackson wrote (in article 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> <+b$nYvBG9OKdFwZ1@brattleho.plus.com>): 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> In message, Pamela 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>   writes 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor should our ambassador be allowed to resign almost 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately because that causes considerable damage to 
 Britain's 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> image. 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> No. 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Know when to walk away and know when to run" 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think Trump would make any kind of decent poker 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> player? If he had a bad hand he would throw a hissy fit, and if 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone beat him, he would stick them on death row for crimes 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> against the president. 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Which all goes to prove we should have called his bluff. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> No. It's unlikely that Trump will ever say "Let's kiss and make 
 >>>>>>>>>>> up." When his private communications to the UK government were 
 made 
 >>>>>>>>>>> public, Darroch's position became untenable, and his job 
 >>>>>>>>>>> impossible. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Trump respects those who stand up to him. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Some fights are pointless fighting. This is one. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> You can€€€t prove it, because no one was man enough to stand their 
 >>>>>>> ground 
 >>>>>>> and stare the nut-job Trump down. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> And anyway, it wasn€€€t a fight at all. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> You would have made it one, though, totally unnecessarily. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> It was a deliberate contravention of the OSA. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> The what? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> The UK buckled at the first hurdle, which is what Tories do. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> The UK has done nothing. It can't force Darroch to unresign. It can't 
 >>>>>> force the USA to deal with him. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> It's clear you don't understand the first thing about diplomacy. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> It's patently clear you don't understand diplomacy at all. The idea 
 that 
 >>>>> an ambassador should resign within 72 hours of a tetchy president's 
 tweets 
 >>>>> regarding some home truths told in secret, is utterly outrageous. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> There are lots of undesirable elements to this story. The truth, 
 >>>> however, is that, as a guest of the USA who had lost credibility with 
 >>>> the President, his position was untenable. 
 >>> 
 >>> You forgot the harrumph, but full marks for using the exact permitted 
 >>> phrase. 
 >>> 
 >>>>> Diplomacy is the art of working through such difficulties. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> With diplomacy, not with fists, which is what you're advocating. 
 >>> 
 >>> It is you who keeps using the word fight. 
 >>> 
 >>> I wonder why? No one else has mentioned the word. 
 >>> 
 >>> Do you like fighting? 
 >>> 
 >>>>> North Korea's Kim did it with Trump, so why didn't the UK even try? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> It's not a thing to fight over. 
 >>> 
 >>> Here you go again. 
 >>> 
 >>> Are you naturally aggressive? 
 >> 
 >> It wasn't me who advocated "stand up to him" and be "man enough to stand 
 >> their ground and stare the nut-job Trump down". 
 >> 
 >> There lies the aggression. 
 > 
 > That lone protester 30 years ago in Tiananmen Square in front of the 
 tanks - 
 > explain to me how he was being aggressive? 
 > 
 > Standing your ground may be stubborn, but it doesn€€€t have to be 
 aggressive. 
 > 
 > It can even get results long term. 
 > 
 >> What I've advocated is diplomacy. 
 > 
 > What you have advocated is pure cowardice. 
  
 It's actually accepting the facts, and seeing what can be done in the 
 future to avoid a recurrence. 
  
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