XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: jenningsltd@fastmail.fm 
  
 On 14/07/2019 14:38, abelard wrote: 
 > On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:20:32 +0100, JNugent  
 > wrote: 
 > 
 >> On 14/07/2019 13:49, abelard wrote: 
 >>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:11:56 +0100, JNugent  
 >>> wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 14/07/2019 10:43, abelard wrote: 
 >> 
 >>>>> 'should' is individually attributed...it means 'i want' 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I'm fairly confident that I am one of a vast majority in wanting the 
 >>>> actions of criminal deviants curbed and punished. 
 >>> 
 >>> so, you believe that it's a matter of majorities... 
 >> 
 >> The definition of certain deviant behaviours as crime is not a political 
 >> matter. 
 > 
 > tell it to hitler or stalin or pol pot 
 > 
 >> Murder, for instance, is charged in the UK as "contrary to 
 >> common law", because the fact that it is a crime is self-evident and in 
 >> need of no sanction by a majority. No-one sensible disputes that it is a 
 >> crime. 
 > 
 > and once 'no-one sensible' would have disputed that witchcraft 
 >      was a crime... 
  
 I doubt that murder will ever e relegated to the same status as withcraft. 
  
 See if you can spot the difference. 
  
 > what is now 'freedom of the press' was once 'treason' 
  
 Was it? 
 > 
 >> There has never been a need for Parliament to legislate against 
 >> it. Theft is similar, but Parliament has seen fit to characterise and 
 >> define theft by statute in a number of ways, not all of which might be 
 >> obvious as a common law offence. 
 > 
 > taxation is theft of one group by another...agent cob 
 >     doubtless want to increase the rate and scale of theft 
 > 
 >>>>> 'criminal' is individually attributed....it means 'i don't want' 
 >>>> 
 >>>> ...or more credibly: "We don't want...". 
 >>> 
 >>> democracy/majorities... 
 >> 
 >> Sometimes. Often not. See the concept of common law. 
 >> 
 >> It is impossible to think of murder, for instance, as being legal and 
 >> tolerated in the real world. It's only possible in dystopian movies. 
 >> Even under the Nazis, their actions in Europe were given a vague and 
 >> flimsy covering of law. 
 > 
 > it has oft times been a duty to kill saracens or infidels... 
  
 And could still be in a big enough emergency. Not all killing is murder. 
  
 > some appear to cling still to such moral imperatives 
 > 
 >>> the 'we' in other countries choose otherwise...or are 
 >>>       forced to do otherwise in dictatorships 
 >>> 
 >>> you are trying to claim your preferences are laws of nature 
 >> 
 >> Some of them are. 
 > 
 > you'll require some effort to convince me 
 > 
  
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