XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: pamela.uklegal@gmail.com 
  
 On 12:44  14 Jul 2019, Norman Wells  wrote: 
 > On 14/07/2019 12:07, Pamela wrote: 
 >> On 21:32  13 Jul 2019, Norman Wells  wrote: 
 >>> On 13/07/2019 20:36, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >>>> On 13 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote (in article 
 >>>> ): 
 >>>>> On 13/07/2019 11:07, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 13 Jul 2019, Pamela wrote (in article 
 >>>>>> ): 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>  TRIMMED 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Trump respects those who stand up to him. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Some fights are pointless fighting. This is one. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> You can't prove it, because no one was man enough to stand their 
 >>>> ground and stare the nut-job Trump down. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> And anyway, it was't a fight at all. 
 >>> 
 >>> You would have made it one, though, totally unnecessarily. 
 >>> 
 >>>> It was a deliberate contravention of the OSA. 
 >>> 
 >>> The what? 
 >>> 
 >>>> The UK buckled at the first hurdle, which is what Tories do. 
 >>> 
 >>> The UK has done nothing.  It can't force Darroch to unresign.  It 
 >>> can't force the USA to deal with him. 
 >>> 
 >>> It's clear you don't understand the first thing about diplomacy. 
 >> 
 >> It's patently clear you don't understand diplomacy at all.  The idea 
 >> that an ambassador should resign within 72 hours of a tetchy 
 >> president's tweets regarding some home truths told in secret, is 
 >> utterly outrageous. 
 > 
 > There are lots of undesirable elements to this story.  The truth, 
 > however, is that, as a guest of the USA who had lost credibility with 
 > the President, his position was untenable. 
  
 That's black and white thinking at it's worst.  Diplomacy doesn't mean 
 caving in to an irrational and irascible foreign president's wish whithin 
 72 hours. 
  
 >> Diplomacy is the art of working through such difficulties. 
 > 
 > With diplomacy, not with fists, which is what you're advocating. 
 > 
 >> North Korea's Kim did it with Trump, so why didn't the UK even try? 
 > 
 > It's not a thing to fight over. 
  
 Who mentioned fighting?  Only you.  If you haven't noticed, North Korea 
 has not fought with America in the way you're suggesting. 
  
 In case you missed it, the point is Trump respects power and bullies the 
 weak.  Failing to put up any resistence is a big mistake. 
  
 Now I imagine you will feel the need to vent your Asperger's and tell us 
 all once again Darroch had to go and nothing else matters blah blah blah. 
  
 >> It's over simplistic to say Darroch would have had to go anyway. Maybe. 
 >> Maybe not. Most definitely not within hours. 
 > 
 > You think we should have stamped our little feet and shouted, do you? 
 > 
 >> Boris shamefully refused SIX times (and counting) to back Darroch, at a 
 >> time when every other senior member of government gave him unequivocal 
 >> backing. 
 > 
 > Every *other* senior member of government?  Boris isn't even in the 
 > government, let alone a senior member of it. How has that simple fact 
 > eluded you? 
  
 Boris has very considerable influence.  Haven't you noticed Boris is 
 effectively prime minister in waiting?  How has that simple fact eluded 
 you? 
  
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