XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: abelard3@abelard.org 
  
 On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:20:32 +0100, JNugent  
 wrote: 
  
 >On 14/07/2019 13:49, abelard wrote: 
 >> On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:11:56 +0100, JNugent  
 >> wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> On 14/07/2019 10:43, abelard wrote: 
 > 
 >>>> 'should' is individually attributed...it means 'i want' 
 >>> 
 >>> I'm fairly confident that I am one of a vast majority in wanting the 
 >>> actions of criminal deviants curbed and punished. 
 >> 
 >> so, you believe that it's a matter of majorities... 
 > 
 >The definition of certain deviant behaviours as crime is not a political 
 >matter. 
  
 tell it to hitler or stalin or pol pot 
  
 > Murder, for instance, is charged in the UK as "contrary to 
 >common law", because the fact that it is a crime is self-evident and in 
 >need of no sanction by a majority. No-one sensible disputes that it is a 
 >crime. 
  
 and once 'no-one sensible' would have disputed that witchcraft 
     was a crime... 
  
 what is now 'freedom of the press' was once 'treason' 
  
 > There has never been a need for Parliament to legislate against 
 >it. Theft is similar, but Parliament has seen fit to characterise and 
 >define theft by statute in a number of ways, not all of which might be 
 >obvious as a common law offence. 
  
 taxation is theft of one group by another...agent cob 
    doubtless want to increase the rate and scale of theft 
  
 >>>> 'criminal' is individually attributed....it means 'i don't want' 
 >>> 
 >>> ...or more credibly: "We don't want...". 
 >> 
 >> democracy/majorities... 
 > 
 >Sometimes. Often not. See the concept of common law. 
 > 
 >It is impossible to think of murder, for instance, as being legal and 
 >tolerated in the real world. It's only possible in dystopian movies. 
 >Even under the Nazis, their actions in Europe were given a vague and 
 >flimsy covering of law. 
  
 it has oft times been a duty to kill saracens or infidels... 
 some appear to cling still to such moral imperatives 
  
 >> the 'we' in other countries choose otherwise...or are 
 >>      forced to do otherwise in dictatorships 
 >> 
 >> you are trying to claim your preferences are laws of nature 
 > 
 >Some of them are. 
  
 you'll require some effort to convince me 
  
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