From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 30/10/2019 17:28, Incubus wrote: 
 > On 2019-10-30, The Todal  wrote: 
 >> On 30/10/2019 16:44, NoSpamAtAll wrote: 
 >>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:09:33 -0000 (UTC), John  wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Please know that the general public will not be watching Dispatches 
 >>>> tonight. We are not stupid. We can see what Channel 4 are trying to do. 
 >>>> We stand with you. We thank you for everything you do to keep us all 
 safe. 
 >>>> Heroes every single one of you. 
 >>>> Shame on you Channel 4!!! How very dare you!!! No!!! Our firefighters 
 did 
 >>>> not fail us!!!!! We can give you a list of who failed!!! 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 1. The people who made the decision to wrap Grenfell in flammable 
 cladding. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 2. The people who made the cladding. 
 >>>> (The ignition of the polyethylene within the cladding panel produced a 
 >>>> flaming reaction more quickly than dropping a match into a barrel of 
 >>>> petrol) 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 3. The contractors who left gaps around the windows and decided to plug 
 >>>> those gaps with a material derived from crude oil which produced the 
 >>>> perfect medium for flame spread around the windows. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 4. Exova, the fire safety consultants used in the refurbishment who had 
 >>>> advised there would be no adverse impact on the spread of fire by the 
 >>>> refurbishment. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 5. The insulation manufacturer Celotex. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 6. CEP, the sub-contractor which bought and fabricated the cladding 
 >>>> panels. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 7. Rydon, the main design and build contractor, who are now claiming 
 they 
 >>>> were not responsible for decisions relating to the cladding. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 8. The council and the tower€€€s landlords, the Tenant Management 
 >>>> Organisation who instigated and oversaw the botched refurbishment. 
 >>>> These parties all had collective responsibility. They all failed. 
 >>>> Our brave firefighters are not to blame for this. We stand with you 
 >>> 
 >>> Don't forget the tenants (almost all diverse) who blocked stairwells 
 >>> with old mattresses and discarded furniture, thus preventing a timely 
 >>> evacuation from the upper floors. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> Utter nonsense. There is no evidence at all that there were any 
 >> discarded items on the stairwells. 
 > 
 > Is that because it went up in smoke? 
 > 
  
 Oh, very funny. Obviously many tenants did descend the staircase to 
 safety and if any of them had been obstructed by mattresses and 
 furniture they would have said so. Instead, it was mainly dead bodies 
 that obstructed them. 
  
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