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 From: crazy@last.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 16:43, The Todal wrote: 
 > On 14/10/2019 16:33, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 >> On 14 Oct 2019, The Todal wrote 
 >> (in article ): 
 >> 
 >>> On 14/10/2019 15:14, tim... wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> "The Todal" €€ wrote in message 
 >>>> news:h0jbdqF3ed1U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>>> On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher€€ wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal€€ wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar€€ wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> "nightjar" €€ wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>>>>>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> mess that 
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. 
 >>>>>>>>>>> It was 
 >>>>>>>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 >>>>>>>>>>> parliament. 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 >>>>>>>>>> Parliament 
 >>>>>>>>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>>>>>>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that 
 >>>>>>>>> MPs will 
 >>>>>>>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 >>>>>>> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU, 
 >>>>>>> for 
 >>>>>>> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >>>>>>>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with 
 >>>>>>>>> Theresa 
 >>>>>>>>> May's deal? 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Honestly? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> It depends on what is renegotiated. The most dangerous aspect 
 >>>>>>>> was the 
 >>>>>>>> "backstop". 
 >>>>>>> The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> You have read it and understood it. As you said, either Todal hasn't 
 >>>>>> or he 
 >>>>>> has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you 
 >>>>> have devised a technological solution to regulating the border without 
 >>>>> having a hard border, 
 >>>> 
 >>>> No 
 >>>> 
 >>>> it's once the EU have agreed that we have done the above 
 >>>> 
 >>>> and if they continue to say "not good enough" as they have so far said 
 >>>> all along to our ideas of a technological border, we are fucked 
 >>> 
 >>> It might never be good enough. In which case we opt for Plan B and 
 >>> repudiate the backstop and take whatever consequences follow, which 
 >>> might include a renewed, enthusiastic bombing campaign from the Irish 
 >>> terrorists. 
 >> 
 >> Then the Irish terrorists go to prison. 
 >> 
 > 
 > We tried that. It never seemed to solve the problem, however many were 
 > imprisoned. We tried Diplock courts which had no juries, to ensure that 
 > the terrorists didn't get let off by sympathetic juries. We tried the 
 > "H" blocks. We eventually opted for the Good Friday Agreement. 
  
 Perhaps we should have listened to Alan Clarks' plan? 
  
 omega 
  
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