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 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 15:14, tim... wrote: 
 > 
 > 
 > "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 > news:h0jbdqF3ed1U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 >>> On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher  wrote: 
 >>>> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the 
 >>>>>>>>>> mess that 
 >>>>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. 
 >>>>>>>> It was 
 >>>>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 >>>>>>>> parliament. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 >>>>>>> Parliament 
 >>>>>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>>>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs will 
 >>>>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU, 
 >>>> for 
 >>>> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >>>>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with 
 >>>>>> Theresa 
 >>>>>> May's deal? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Honestly? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> It depends on what is renegotiated.€€ The most dangerous aspect was the 
 >>>>> "backstop". 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 >>> 
 >>> You have read it and understood it.€€ As you said, either Todal hasn't 
 >>> or he 
 >>> has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you 
 >> have devised a technological solution to regulating the border without 
 >> having a hard border, 
 > 
 > No 
 > 
 > it's once the EU have agreed that we have done the above 
 > 
 > and if they continue to say "not good enough" as they have so far said 
 > all along to our ideas of a technological border, we are fucked 
 > 
  
 It might never be good enough. In which case we opt for Plan B and 
 repudiate the backstop and take whatever consequences follow, which 
 might include a renewed, enthusiastic bombing campaign from the Irish 
 terrorists. 
  
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