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 From: tims_new_home@yahoo.com 
  
 "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 news:h0ji9gF4qijU1@mid.individual.net... 
 > On 14/10/2019 15:14, tim... wrote: 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >> news:h0jbdqF3ed1U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>> On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher  wrote: 
 >>>>> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>>>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess 
 >>>>>>>>>>> that 
 >>>>>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. It 
 >>>>>>>>> was 
 >>>>>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 >>>>>>>>> parliament. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 >>>>>>>> Parliament 
 >>>>>>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>>>>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs 
 >>>>>>> will 
 >>>>>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU, 
 >>>>> for 
 >>>>> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >>>>>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with 
 >>>>>>> Theresa 
 >>>>>>> May's deal? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Honestly? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> It depends on what is renegotiated.  The most dangerous aspect was 
 >>>>>> the 
 >>>>>> "backstop". 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>> The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 >>>> 
 >>>> You have read it and understood it.  As you said, either Todal hasn't 
 >>>> or he 
 >>>> has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you have 
 >>> devised a technological solution to regulating the border without having 
 >>> a hard border, 
 >> 
 >> No 
 >> 
 >> it's once the EU have agreed that we have done the above 
 >> 
 >> and if they continue to say "not good enough" as they have so far said 
 >> all along to our ideas of a technological border, we are fucked 
 >> 
 > 
 > It might never be good enough. In which case we opt for Plan B and 
 > repudiate the backstop 
  
 not a possible option once we have signed. 
  
 > and take whatever consequences follow, which might include a renewed, 
 > enthusiastic bombing campaign from the Irish terrorists. 
  
 but very probably wont 
  
 The terrorists learnt that bombing didn't win them anything 
  
 tim 
  
  
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