XPost: uk.radio.amateur, uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y 
 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 12:24, Stephen Cole wrote: 
 > The Todal  wrote: 
 >> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>> ... 
 >>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess that 
 >>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. It was 
 >>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through parliament. 
 >>> 
 >>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 Parliament 
 >>> also voted it down. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> The deal was actually an excellent one, 
 > 
 > Whoa! May€€€s deal was the only possible deal, given her red lines, but 
 that 
 > doesn€€€t make it an excellent deal. A better deal would have been 
 something 
 > much closer to Norway€€€s relationship with the EU. But that still would 
 have 
 > been crap compared to our current deal, aka membership of the EU, of 
 > course. 
  
 Although I tend to agree with you, if we really are going to leave the 
 EU it seems to me that Theresa May's deal is the best we can get, and 
 the deal that best combines the wish to "leave" the EU with the wish to 
 avoid serious economic damage to the nation. The backstop is unimportant 
 to me, and I am not aware that the Labour Party has regarded it as a 
 dealbreaker. 
  
 But I think many Leavers are in denial. They want to ignore the will of 
 the people and have a no-deal Brexit. If they don't get it, they will be 
 Moaners. They will want to return to where we were before we even joined 
 the Common Market. You might call them Remoaners. 
  
  
 > 
 > 
 > and it is still the only 
 >> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs will 
 >> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 > 
 > If they hold their bottle, revoking A50 will happen before a no deal exit. 
 > 
 > 
  
 I can't see how Boris can put his deal to a vote in Parliament if the EU 
 are still not satisfied with it. He may want to do so, of course. 
 Because he may interpret the Benn Act as saying that if the Commons 
 approves an unfinished theoretical deal there is then no need to send 
 his letter requesting an extension. 
  
 He may lie and say "it's practically a done deal apart from the minor 
 formalities". 
  
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