XPost: uk.radio.amateur, uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y 
 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 > On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher  wrote: 
 >> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess that 
 >>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. It was 
 >>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 parliament. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 Parliament 
 >>>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs will 
 >>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >>> 
 >>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 >>> 
 >> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU, for 
 >> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >> 
 >>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with Theresa 
 >>>> May's deal? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Honestly? 
 >>> 
 >>> It depends on what is renegotiated.  The most dangerous aspect was the 
 >>> "backstop". 
 >>> 
 >> The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 > 
 > You have read it and understood it.  As you said, either Todal hasn't or he 
 > has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 > 
  
 Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you have 
 devised a technological solution to regulating the border without having 
 a hard border, the backstop will become irrelevant and the break from 
 the EU will be complete. 
  
 Boris claims that he already has a technological solution. But he hasn't. 
  
 Your strong dislike of the backstop is founded on paranoid suspicion 
 that the EU wants to keep us in their union forever. But as I said, we 
 do always have the option in the future of disregarding the withdrawal 
 agreement and accepting the consequences. And - in case you were worried 
 - the consequences will not involve the Luftwaffe bombing London. 
  
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