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 From: gtyr@gmail.com 
  
 "JNugent"  wrote in message 
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 > On 13/10/2019 19:53, ZakJames wrote: 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
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 >>> On 13/10/2019 02:33, ZakJames wrote: 
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 >>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
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 >>>>> On 13/10/2019 01:25, ZakJames wrote: 
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 >>>>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
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 >>>>>>> On 12/10/2019 23:12, ZakJames wrote: 
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 >>>>>>>> "Joe"  wrote in message 
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 >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:07:06 +0100 
 >>>>>>>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled 
 >>>>>>>>>> the 
 >>>>>>>>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote? 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Not a problem is it? They're not receiving any public services, 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Plenty of them do, particularly the state pension and free health 
 >>>>>>>> care. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> "Free health care"? You'd have to come back to the UK for that 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Nope, some places have mutual free health care agreements with the 
 >>>>>> UK. 
 >>>>>> Their citizens get to use the NHS for free and UK citizens get to use 
 >>>>>> theirs for free. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> In most of those countries, "for free" is a term of art. It involves 
 >>>>> paying for some aspects of health care, including doctors' 
 >>>>> appointments. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Your most is very arguable. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Nowhere operates the NHS system (though sometimes, they leave a Brit 
 >>>>> off the books to avoid paperwork). 
 >>>> 
 >>>> But UK citizens do get to use their equivalent of the UK 
 >>>> NHS on the same basis as the citizens of that country. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Same with the reverse, the citizens of that country get 
 >>>> to use the UK NHS on the same basis as UK citizens do. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>>>> (and there's nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned). 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> More fool you if they have chosen to move to a tax haven to avoid 
 >>>>>> paying what they would have paid if they had stayed in the UK. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> I have no objection to contributing to a system for looking after the 
 >>>>> health of my countrymen. I have every objection to paying to look 
 >>>>> after the health of foreigners from countries which do not 
 >>>>> reciprocate. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> That€€€s a different issue to those who choose to move to tax havens 
 >>>> so they don€€€t contribute themselves. Why should those be free to 
 >>>> come back to the UK for the medical services they require and then 
 >>>> return to the tax haven and continue to contribute nothing to the UK ? 
 >> 
 >>> That's what being a citizen means. 
 >> 
 >> But doesn€€€t necessarily with those worst of the tax dodgers. 
 >> 
 >>>>>>> Some countries -  relatively few - provide a service similar to the 
 >>>>>>> NHS to UK citizens, but only because the UK does the same for their 
 >>>>>>> citizens. The UK doesn't pay for it. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> The UK tax dodger citizen still gets free health 
 >>>>>> care there the same as they would in the UK. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Living in the sunshine (an attractive proposition) is "tax-dodging", 
 >>>>> is it? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> No, moving too a tax haven like the Bahamas 
 >>>> which also has lots of sunshine is tho. 
 >>> 
 >>> Do rich people like that fly back to Middlesborough for a knee 
 >>> operation, then? 
 >> 
 >> They arent necessarily rich people, just tax dodgers. 
 > 
 > Paying tax is not a condition for receiving treatment under the NHS. It 
 > never has been. 
  
 Correct. That comment was just about whether all those who 
 choose to move to tax havens are necessarily rich people. 
  
 Plenty like Doom arent anything like rich and choose to 
 move to a tax haven to make their income go further. 
  
 >>>>>>>>> which is the only thing taxes are spent on, isn't it? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Yep, and they get those. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> How would you go about evading income tax on your UK Retirement 
 >>>>>>> Pension and/or private pension? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> That income isnt taxed in the tax haven. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Should it be, when it is taxed at source (if it's enough to be taxed 
 >>>>> on)? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> It isnt with those who have moved to a tax haven. 
 >>> 
 >>> You are confusing the mega-rich with ordinary people. 
 >> 
 >> Nope, I wasn€€€t talking about mega rich. Plenty who use tax 
 >> havens arent even rich, just tax dodgers. Just a variation on 
 >> those who move to places which are cheaper to live in, 
 >> going even further, avoiding paying any tax at all too. 
 > 
 > The south of Spain a tax haven? 
  
 Nope, but plenty of other places are. And some are just much 
 more clack about keeping track of those who don€€€t pay the tax 
 that they should do that the UK is too, particularly with cash 
 transactions and even bribes on the side etc 
  
 The reason so many UK criminals ended up in Spain was because 
 Spain turns a blind eye to their activities in Spain just as long as 
 they arent actually stupid enough to do crime in Spain. 
  
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