XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 13/10/2019 14:32, Ian Jackson wrote: 
 > In message <580246b30ccharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles 
 >  writes 
 >> In article <58024428bddave@davenoise.co.uk>, 
 >> €€ Dave Plowman (News)  wrote: 
 >>> In article , 
 >>> €€€€ Stephen Cole  wrote: 
 >>> > Dave Plowman (News)  wrote: 
 >>> > > In article , 
 >>> > >€€€€€€ Cursitor Doom  wrote: 
 >>> > >> I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another 
 >>> > >> Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like 
 >>> > >> everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers 
 >>> > >> who've seen the light over the last 3 years. 
 >>> > > 
 >>> > > Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened. 
 >>> > > 
 >> 
 >>> > That€€€s no surprise as the electorate has changed; a million or more 
 >>> dead 
 >>> > Leave voters and a couple million freshly-minted teenage voters since 
 >>> > June 2016. The longer that Brexit is fobbed off before a 2nd 
 >>> referendum 
 >>> > the more the scales will tip toward Remain. 
 >> 
 >>> True. And it is their future which is important. More than those of the 
 >>> old farts who talk about the last WW all the time. Even although they 
 >>> weren't in it. 
 >> 
 >> I was 5 when WW2 ended. you'd need to have been 13 years older than me to 
 >> have served in it - that's 92+ 
 >> 
 > You can get two in-phoners who start off by saying exactly the same 
 > thing - but end up by making points that are diametrically opposite. 
 > 
 > "My grandfather fought in WW1, and my father fought in WW2. The wars 
 > occurred because the Germans were allowed to become too powerful - and 
 > the EU has allowed them again to become far too powerful. My father 
 > reckons that before long, they will be totally dominating all the 
 > members of the EU (including the UK), and they will be dictating what we 
 > do. We therefore need to leave." 
 > 
 > "My grandfather fought in WW1, and my father fought in WW2. The wars 
 > occurred because the Germans were allowed to become too powerful. 
 > However, my father says that the EU will make sure that they are kept in 
 > check, and they will not be able to do again. Because of the EU, Europe 
 > is a much safer place than it used to be." 
  
  
 And I have a slightly different permutation. One of my grandfathers 
 fought in WW1 for the Germans and was awarded an Iron Cross. Another of 
 my grandfathers fought in WW1 for the Allies and several of my great 
 uncles were killed in action. 
  
 The main factor that leads to war is mass unemployment and recession. 
 Unfortunately Brexit is likely to produce recession and an increase in 
 unemployment. 
  
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