XPost: uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y, uk.radio.amateur 
 From: jenningsltd@fastmail.fm 
  
 On 13/10/2019 19:53, ZakJames wrote: 
 > 
 > 
 > "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 > news:h0gkuuFglo0U2@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 13/10/2019 02:33, ZakJames wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:h0f9tmF89c0U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>> On 13/10/2019 01:25, ZakJames wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 >>>>> news:h0f1n4F6md0U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>>>> On 12/10/2019 23:12, ZakJames wrote: 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> "Joe"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>>> news:20191012191042.2c873bc4@jresid.jretrading.com... 
 >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:07:06 +0100 
 >>>>>>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have 
 >>>>>>>>> fled the 
 >>>>>>>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote? 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Not a problem is it? They're not receiving any public services, 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Plenty of them do, particularly the state pension and free health 
 >>>>>>> care. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> "Free health care"? You'd have to come back to the UK for that 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Nope, some places have mutual free health care agreements with the UK. 
 >>>>> Their citizens get to use the NHS for free and UK citizens get to 
 >>>>> use theirs for free. 
 >>> 
 >>>> In most of those countries, "for free" is a term of art. It involves 
 >>>> paying for some aspects of health care, including doctors' 
 >>>> appointments. 
 >>> 
 >>> Your most is very arguable. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Nowhere operates the NHS system (though sometimes, they leave a Brit 
 >>>> off the books to avoid paperwork). 
 >>> 
 >>> But UK citizens do get to use their equivalent of the UK 
 >>> NHS on the same basis as the citizens of that country. 
 >>> 
 >>> Same with the reverse, the citizens of that country get 
 >>> to use the UK NHS on the same basis as UK citizens do. 
 >>> 
 >>>>>> (and there's nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned). 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> More fool you if they have chosen to move to a tax haven to avoid 
 >>>>> paying what they would have paid if they had stayed in the UK. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I have no objection to contributing to a system for looking after 
 >>>> the health of my countrymen. I have every objection to paying to 
 >>>> look after the health of foreigners from countries which do not 
 >>>> reciprocate. 
 >>> 
 >>> That€€€s a different issue to those who choose to move to tax havens 
 >>> so they don€€€t contribute themselves. Why should those be free to 
 >>> come back to the UK for the medical services they require and then 
 >>> return to the tax haven and continue to contribute nothing to the UK ? 
 > 
 >> That's what being a citizen means. 
 > 
 > But doesn€€€t necessarily with those worst of the tax dodgers. 
 > 
 >>>>>> Some countries -€€ relatively few - provide a service similar to 
 >>>>>> the NHS to UK citizens, but only because the UK does the same for 
 >>>>>> their citizens. The UK doesn't pay for it. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> The UK tax dodger citizen still gets free health 
 >>>>> care there the same as they would in the UK. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Living in the sunshine (an attractive proposition) is "tax-dodging", 
 >>>> is it? 
 >>> 
 >>> No, moving too a tax haven like the Bahamas 
 >>> which also has lots of sunshine is tho. 
 >> 
 >> Do rich people like that fly back to Middlesborough for a knee 
 >> operation, then? 
 > 
 > They arent necessarily rich people, just tax dodgers. 
  
 Paying tax is not a condition for receiving treatment under the NHS. It 
 never has been. 
  
 >>>>>>>> which is the only thing taxes are spent on, isn't it? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Yep, and they get those. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> How would you go about evading income tax on your UK Retirement 
 >>>>>> Pension and/or private pension? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> That income isnt taxed in the tax haven. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Should it be, when it is taxed at source (if it's enough to be taxed 
 >>>> on)? 
 >>> 
 >>> It isnt with those who have moved to a tax haven. 
 >> 
 >> You are confusing the mega-rich with ordinary people. 
 > 
 > Nope, I wasn€€€t talking about mega rich. Plenty who use tax 
 > havens arent even rich, just tax dodgers. Just a variation on 
 > those who move to places which are cheaper to live in, 
 > going even further, avoiding paying any tax at all too. 
  
 The south of Spain a tax haven? 
  
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