From: kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk 
  
 On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:00:56 +0100, The Todal  
 wrote: 
  
 >On 09/10/2019 09:45, tim... wrote: 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> "MM"  wrote in message 
 >> news:altope1p8mlabn041i97id0c4modfbtbfj@4ax.com... 
 >>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:19:51 +0100, Norman Wells  
 >>> wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> On 08/10/2019 10:56, The Todal wrote: 
 >>>>> On 07/10/2019 10:59, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> One interesting aspect of the whole Brexit thing is hearing people 
 >>>>>> from the left making economic arguments for the EU.€ I'm not sure that 
 >>>>>> they can do it convincingly.€ People from the right seem to see Brexit 
 >>>>>> as a political issue, anyway, so don't care. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Brexit is an issue that transcends normal politics.€ We're in a totally 
 >>>>> different zone now. Plenty of "people from the left" want us to leave 
 >>>>> the EU. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Currently, Boris Johnson is desperately trying to blackmail the EU into 
 >>>>> compromising over his sloppily drafted proposals. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Hardly blackmail, just negotiation. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> They won't, of course, 
 >>>>> but he claims that they, the EU, are being stupid and stubborn and that 
 >>>>> his proposals will be withdrawn forever if they are not accepted, and 
 >>>>> that he will withdraw co-operation on security matters. All this is 
 >>>>> obviously to impress the British public, since it certainly won't 
 >>>>> impress the EU negotiators. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> If they're not willing to face reality and negotiate, then we leave with 
 >>>> no deal, which is not what they want. 
 >>> 
 >>> They can't not want it very badly since there are only days left till 
 >>> the end of the month and Merkel told Boris in the last few hours that 
 >>> his proposals were unlikely to be accepted. 
 >> 
 >> they are still gambling on being as difficult as possible so that we 
 >> will revoke 
 >> 
 >> And parliament remoaners are helping then in that quest 
 >> 
 > 
 > 
 >Like many Leave supporters, you seem convinced that the EU desperately 
 >wants to stop us leaving. Like a dumped girlfriend who stalks you, 
 >convinced that she can change your mind and you will have a happy future 
 >together. 
 > 
 >The EU has been trying very hard to co-operate with the UK in ensuring a 
 >Brexit that causes the least harm to EU member states - notably Ireland. 
 >That's their only concern. They don't mind if we fuck off. But we 
 >mustn't damage the EU, or Ireland. Nor must we cherrypick all the 
 >advantages of being in the EU without any of the responsibilities. 
 > 
 >I think Boris's advisers are telling him this but either he's a very 
 >slow learner or, more likely, he believes that lying to the British 
 >public will give him more votes and more seats at the next General Election. 
  
 The question is, when will his lies finally be exposed so that the 
 British public knows exact;ly what he's about? 
  
 MM 
  
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