XPost: uk.radio.amateur, uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y 
 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 > On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>> ... 
 >>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess that 
 >>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. It was 
 >>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through parliament. 
 >>> 
 >>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 Parliament 
 >>> also voted it down. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs will 
 >> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 > 
 > If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
  
 Er... if you think the deal was a turd, then you haven't understood it. 
  
 I think we've all understood it. It was a carefully crafted deal which 
 offered a sensible way forward and had the approval of many MPs. 
  
 Unfortunately Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg, scheming to achieve 
 power, lied to the Commons and made them believe that if we "stood up" 
 to the EU and made more threats, we could achieve an even better deal. 
 Having achieved power, Boris has tried to use threats and bullying and 
 has achieved precisely nothing. A slight re-wording of the backstop 
 arrangement which still "needs more work" if it is to be acceptable to 
 the EU. For "needs more work" you can substitute "returns to the 
 previous version". 
  
 > 
 >> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with Theresa 
 >> May's deal? 
 >> 
 >> Honestly? 
 > 
 > It depends on what is renegotiated.  The most dangerous aspect was the 
 > "backstop". 
 > 
  
 The backstop is fine. Will you march on the streets behind Nigel Farage? 
 Or just accept the democratic decision of our Parliament?  Are you and 
 Nigel the will of the people, or is Parliament the will of the people? 
  
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