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"JNugent" wrote in message
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> On 13/10/2019 02:33, ZakJames wrote:
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>> "JNugent" wrote in message
>> news:h0f9tmF89c0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 13/10/2019 01:25, ZakJames wrote:
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>>>> "JNugent" wrote in message
>>>> news:h0f1n4F6md0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 12/10/2019 23:12, ZakJames wrote:
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>>>>>> "Joe" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20191012191042.2c873bc4@jresid.jretrading.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:07:06 +0100
>>>>>>> "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not a problem is it? They're not receiving any public services,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of them do, particularly the state pension and free health
>>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Free health care"? You'd have to come back to the UK for that
>>>>
>>>> Nope, some places have mutual free health care agreements with the UK.
>>>> Their citizens get to use the NHS for free and UK citizens get to use
>>>> theirs for free.
>>
>>> In most of those countries, "for free" is a term of art. It involves
>>> paying for some aspects of health care, including doctors' appointments.
>>
>> Your most is very arguable.
>>
>>> Nowhere operates the NHS system (though sometimes, they leave a Brit off
>>> the books to avoid paperwork).
>>
>> But UK citizens do get to use their equivalent of the UK
>> NHS on the same basis as the citizens of that country.
>>
>> Same with the reverse, the citizens of that country get
>> to use the UK NHS on the same basis as UK citizens do.
>>
>>>>> (and there's nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned).
>>>>
>>>> More fool you if they have chosen to move to a tax haven to avoid
>>>> paying what they would have paid if they had stayed in the UK.
>>>
>>> I have no objection to contributing to a system for looking after the
>>> health of my countrymen. I have every objection to paying to look after
>>> the health of foreigners from countries which do not reciprocate.
>>
>> That€€€s a different issue to those who choose to move to tax havens
>> so they don€€€t contribute themselves. Why should those be free to
>> come back to the UK for the medical services they require and then
>> return to the tax haven and continue to contribute nothing to the UK ?
> That's what being a citizen means.
But doesn€€€t necessarily with those worst of the tax dodgers.
>>>>> Some countries - relatively few - provide a service similar to the
>>>>> NHS to UK citizens, but only because the UK does the same for their
>>>>> citizens. The UK doesn't pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> The UK tax dodger citizen still gets free health
>>>> care there the same as they would in the UK.
>>>
>>> Living in the sunshine (an attractive proposition) is "tax-dodging", is
>>> it?
>>
>> No, moving too a tax haven like the Bahamas
>> which also has lots of sunshine is tho.
>
> Do rich people like that fly back to Middlesborough for a knee operation,
> then?
They arent necessarily rich people, just tax dodgers.
>>>>>>> which is the only thing taxes are spent on, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, and they get those.
>>>>
>>>>> How would you go about evading income tax on your UK Retirement
>>>>> Pension and/or private pension?
>>>>
>>>> That income isnt taxed in the tax haven.
>>>
>>> Should it be, when it is taxed at source (if it's enough to be taxed
>>> on)?
>>
>> It isnt with those who have moved to a tax haven.
>
> You are confusing the mega-rich with ordinary people.
Nope, I wasn€€€t talking about mega rich. Plenty who use tax
havens arent even rich, just tax dodgers. Just a variation on
those who move to places which are cheaper to live in,
going even further, avoiding paying any tax at all too.
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