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 From: gtyr@gmail.com 
  
 "Roger Hayter"  wrote in message 
 news:1ofe93j.1y3jht81o556m6N%roger@hayter.org... 
 > Dave Plowman (News)  wrote: 
 > 
 >> In article , 
 >>    abelard  wrote: 
 >> > On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:59:01 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" 
 >> >  wrote: 
 >> 
 >> > >In article , nightjar 
 >> > >    wrote: 
 >> > >> As the population ages, it tends to get more right wing, so the ones 
 >> > >> that die off are replaced by others and the balance due to age 
 >> > >> remains much the same over time. OTOH, there is a generational 
 >> > >> effect, with each generation currently tending to be slightly more 
 >> > >> left wing than the one before. That means that, although the older a 
 >> > >> generation gets the more right wing, on average, it becomes, it 
 >> > >> doesn't become quite as right wing as the one before it. 
 >> > > 
 >> > >Except, of course. for the Tory party. Remember the Heath days? When 
 >> > >it 
 >> > >was simply right of centre. 
 >> 
 >> > i fear you don't know your right from your left...or vice versa 
 >> 
 >> Go on, then. Tell me where I've got it wrong. I take it you think Heath 
 >> extreme, then? 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> > wings are not about whether you approve of nationalism 
 >> >      or otherwise..that is just  local fad among cult socialists 
 >> 
 >> Did you actually read Colin's post that I was replying to? 
 >> 
 >> Nationalism isn't unique to any one party anyway. But the extreme right 
 >> tends to attract the nutty side of it. 
 > 
 > Socialism is by defiinition internationalist. 
  
 Depends entirely on how you define socialism. 
  
 If you use the traditional western european 
 definition and make a distinction between 
 socialism and communism and take socialism 
 to mean having stuff done by govt instead 
 of private enterprise, that€s not true, that 
 isnt  internationalist at all. 
  
 > That is not to say that socialists shouldn't be patriotic 
 > and back there own country  in a genuine dispute. 
 < But, whatever it calls itself, a nationalist party is 
 > *not* socialist but something else entirely. 
  
 Not when it has the govt do lots of stuff instead 
 of leaving that to private enterprise and has stuff 
 like free holidays for workers etc. That€s real 
 socialism, albeit with nationalism as well. 
  
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