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"nightjar" wrote in message
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> On 12/10/2019 15:40, Stephen Cole wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another
>>>> Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like
>>>> everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've
>>>> seen the light over the last 3 years.
>>>
>>> Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened.
>>>
>>
>> That€€€s no surprise as the electorate has changed; a million or more dead
>> Leave voters and a couple million freshly-minted teenage voters since
>> June
>> 2016. The longer that Brexit is fobbed off before a 2nd referendum the
>> more
>> the scales will tip toward Remain.
>>
>
> It is more complicated than that.
> As the population ages, it tends to get more right wing,
Its far from clear how true that is, quite apart from the other crucial
matter of whether leaving or remaining is more or less right wing.
> so the ones that die off are replaced by others and the balance due to age
> remains much the same over time.
But opinions about leaving or remaining may not do that.
> OTOH, there is a generational effect, with each generation currently
> tending to be slightly more left wing than the one before.
Again, you still have a problem with whether
leaving or remaining is more left wing.
> That means that, although the older a generation gets the more right wing,
> on average, it becomes, it doesn't become quite as right wing as the one
> before it.
That€€€s very arguable too given that you lot were into lots
of nationalisation of almost anything at one time and
now arent into that anything like as much as you were.
And that is a very clear left wing issue.
Same with support for the most extreme left wing stuff like communism.
And it isnt even really true of some of softer left wing issues
like govt ownership of the postal service or the phone service.
Tho it is generally true of others like a national health service.
> However, to add to all that, people with higher levels of education (A
> level or above) appear to be more likely to support remain and the overall
> level of education of the population is rising a few percent each year.
But that change is more likely to be due to a fudging
of school marks than due to society as a whole being
more educated, particularly with school education.
There are in fact far fewer who bother with the harder
subjects like Latin and the most obscure maths than
there used to be or even modern foreign languages
> The net effect is that there will be a trend towards greater support for
> remain,
That remains to be seen, particularly if a no deal brexit is
seen to work fine and there is no effect on the economy.
> but I'm not sure that 3-4 years is long enough for that to make a
> significant difference.
Yeah, any change is much more likely to be due to the
mess we have seen in parliament and due to the change
in the individuals involved like with Boris replacing May.
That€€€s the reason that so many of the voters were happy
to have him as mayor, twice. Not because of any policy
issues, just the usual personality politics stuff.
> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the ss that the
> Brexiteers have made of the process so far
Its actually you remainers that have produced that mess,
particularly with remainer MPs who wont allow parliament
to do what the referendum said needed to be done and
arseholes like Barnier and that other frog deliberately
making it hard to leave by insisting on the backstop that
they know is completely unacceptable to the UK parliament.
> and a growing realisation of just how much of the Leave campaign was pure
> fantasy.
Corse there was never anything like that with Project Fear, eh ?
17 more days and you''ll be howling...
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