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 From: gtyr@gmail.com 
  
 "tim..."  wrote in message 
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 > "ZakJames"  wrote in message 
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 >> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 >> news:h0f0boF6deiU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> On 12/10/2019 16:35, tim... wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:5801d4258edave@davenoise.co.uk... 
 >>>>> In article , 
 >>>>>   Cursitor Doom  wrote: 
 >>>>>> I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another 
 >>>>>> Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like 
 >>>>>> everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers 
 >>>>>> who've 
 >>>>>> seen the light over the last 3 years. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> very marginally 
 >>>> 
 >>>> and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the last 
 >>>> vote 
 >>>> 
 >>>> and you know what campaigning did to that lead. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the 
 >>>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about being 
 >>>> disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised. 
 >>> 
 >>> That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think. 
 >>> 
 >>> An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local 
 >>> elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout Spanish 
 >>> citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's parliamantary 
 >>> elections (and quite right too). 
 >> 
 >>> But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections - for 
 >>> life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the government of 
 >>> anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not second-class people who 
 >>> should have fewer rights than others. 
 >> 
 >> That€€€s always been the case with those who choose not 
 >> to take up citizenship in the place they choose to move 
 >> to. They are in fact second class people by that choice 
 >> and rightly so imo. 
 >> 
 >>> Because UK Parliamentary representation is so tied to local geography, 
 >>> ex-pats need to be either (a) limited to a vote as though still living 
 >>> at their last UK address (which they might even still own), or (b) 
 >>> placed within a new non-geographical constituency for British citizens 
 >>> not currently resident in the UK. There would probably have to be a 
 >>> multiplicity of those because there are millions of ex-pats. These 
 >>> constituencies could even be based on broad regions of the UK, each with 
 >>> an electorate size of the target average size as aimed for by the 
 >>> Boundary Commission and equivalents. 
 >> 
 >> I did notice that Italians emigrants are allowed to vote in Italian 
 >> elections. 
 > 
 > UK ex-pats are allowed to vote in the UK for the first 15 years away 
 > 
 > the people losing their vote have been away for a continuous period of 15 
 > years 
 > 
 > I see no reason to feel sorry for them 
  
 No reason to feel sorry for them, but does it 
 really make any sense to take the vote away from 
 them if they do plan to return after that long ? 
  
 Plenty do. 
  
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