XPost: uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y, uk.radio.amateur 
 From: pamela.ukpm@gmail.com 
  
 On 02:25  13 Oct 2019, "ZakJames"  wrote: 
  
 > "JNugent"  wrote: 
 >> 
 >> On 12/10/2019 23:47, ZakJames wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> That€s always been the case with those who choose not to take up 
 >>> citizenship in the place they choose to move to. They are in fact 
 >>> second class people by that choice and rightly so imo. 
 >> 
 >> "That's always been the case". But it shouldn't be. 
 > 
 > That€s very arguable. 
 > 
 >>There is no case to be made for disenfranchising anyone. 
 > 
 > There is for those who choose to be in a particular country for a while 
 > but who have no intention of staying there forever. Why should those who 
 > choose to move to say Spain for the lower prices and better weather have 
 > any say on how that country is run ?  Let alone on more important issues 
 > like whether the Basque separatists should be allowed to have their own 
 > country or be part of the EU ? 
 > 
 >> What is the principled difference between a UK citizen who works abroad 
 >> (eg, a Foreign Office employee) and a UK citizen who retires abroad? 
 > 
 > Nothing with regard to their right to vote in the UK is concerned unless 
 > they never plan to return to the UK again. But neither should have any 
 > say in how the country they are working in or have retired to does 
 > things either imo. Both are free to decide if how that country does 
 > things is to their liking, but not free to vote on any changes that they 
 > would like to see there. 
 > 
 > I don't even agree with say poms who choose to migrate to somewhere like 
 > Australia or NZ being able to proclaim that those places should do 
 > things the way the UK does things benefits or politics wise either. They 
 > should decide if they like the way things are done before they migrate 
 > to another country, not try to change them after they have migrated. 
 > 
 >>> I did notice that Italians emigrants are allowed to vote in Italian 
 >>> elections. Not sure what happens about which constituency they get to 
 >>> vote in. 
 > 
 >> Perhaps we (the UK) should make enquiries. 
 > 
 > There isnt likely to be any very satisfactory way of doing that. Even 
 > say being allowed to vote in the constituency that they had previously 
 > lived in doesn€t make a lot of sense given that as migrants they clearly 
 > chose to leave there and with such tiny constituencies as the UK has, it 
 > could just have been where there happened to be an affordable place to 
 > buy or rent that they happened to find appealing etc or a job that 
 > happened to have a vacancy at the time. 
  
 Who wrote all that for you, Zak?  I mean Rod.  Is your nurse helping you 
 out? 
  
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