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 From: gtyr@gmail.com 
  
 "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 news:h0f9tmF89c0U1@mid.individual.net... 
 > On 13/10/2019 01:25, ZakJames wrote: 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 >> news:h0f1n4F6md0U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> On 12/10/2019 23:12, ZakJames wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> "Joe"  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:20191012191042.2c873bc4@jresid.jretrading.com... 
 >>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:07:06 +0100 
 >>>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the 
 >>>>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Not a problem is it? They're not receiving any public services, 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Plenty of them do, particularly the state pension and free health care. 
 >>> 
 >>> "Free health care"? You'd have to come back to the UK for that 
 >> 
 >> Nope, some places have mutual free health care agreements with the UK. 
 >> Their citizens get to use the NHS for free and UK citizens get to use 
 >> theirs for free. 
  
 > In most of those countries, "for free" is a term of art. It involves 
 > paying for some aspects of health care, including doctors' appointments. 
  
 Your most is very arguable. 
  
 > Nowhere operates the NHS system (though sometimes, they leave a Brit off 
 > the books to avoid paperwork). 
  
 But UK citizens do get to use their equivalent of the UK 
 NHS on the same basis as the citizens of that country. 
  
 Same with the reverse, the citizens of that country get 
 to use the UK NHS on the same basis as UK citizens do. 
  
 >>> (and there's nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned). 
 >> 
 >> More fool you if they have chosen to move to a tax haven to avoid 
 >> paying what they would have paid if they had stayed in the UK. 
 > 
 > I have no objection to contributing to a system for looking after the 
 > health of my countrymen. I have every objection to paying to look after 
 > the health of foreigners from countries which do not reciprocate. 
  
 That€€€s a different issue to those who choose to move to tax havens 
 so they don€€€t contribute themselves. Why should those be free to 
 come back to the UK for the medical services they require and then 
 return to the tax haven and continue to contribute nothing to the UK ? 
  
 >>> Some countries -  relatively few - provide a service similar to the NHS 
 >>> to UK citizens, but only because the UK does the same for their 
 >>> citizens. The UK doesn't pay for it. 
 >> 
 >> The UK tax dodger citizen still gets free health 
 >> care there the same as they would in the UK. 
 > 
 > Living in the sunshine (an attractive proposition) is "tax-dodging", is 
 > it? 
  
 No, moving too a tax haven like the Bahamas 
 which also has lots of sunshine is tho. 
  
 >>>>> which is the only thing taxes are spent on, isn't it? 
 >> 
 >>>> Yep, and they get those. 
 >> 
 >>> How would you go about evading income tax on your UK Retirement Pension 
 >>> and/or private pension? 
 >> 
 >> That income isnt taxed in the tax haven. 
 > 
 > Should it be, when it is taxed at source (if it's enough to be taxed on)? 
  
 It isnt with those who have moved to a tax haven. 
  
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