XPost: uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y, uk.radio.amateur 
 From: jenningsltd@fastmail.fm 
  
 On 12/10/2019 23:47, ZakJames wrote: 
 > 
 > 
 > "JNugent"  wrote in message 
 > news:h0f0boF6deiU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 12/10/2019 16:35, tim... wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:5801d4258edave@davenoise.co.uk... 
 >>>> In article , 
 >>>> €€ Cursitor Doom  wrote: 
 >>>>> I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's another 
 >>>>> Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as before, just like 
 >>>>> everyone else who voted Leave - plus not a few former Remainers who've 
 >>>>> seen the light over the last 3 years. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has happened. 
 >>> 
 >>> very marginally 
 >>> 
 >>> and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead before the 
 >>> last vote 
 >>> 
 >>> and you know what campaigning did to that lead. 
 >>> 
 >>>> Wonder what the average UK voter feels about those who have fled the 
 >>>> country to avoid paying taxes being allowed to vote? 
 >>> 
 >>> I for one think that they've got a bloody cheek complaining about 
 >>> being disenfranchised - they chose to be disenfranchised. 
 >> 
 >> That's not as straightforward as some people seem to think. 
 >> 
 >> An ex-pat Brit living in (say) Spain might have a vote in local 
 >> elections in their area of residence, but unless they take pout 
 >> Spanish citizenship they won't be allowed to vote in Spain's 
 >> parliamantary elections (and quite right too). 
 > 
 >> But unless they're allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections - for 
 >> life - they are disenfranchised from having any say in the government 
 >> of anywhere. And that cannot be right. They are not second-class 
 >> people who should have fewer rights than others. 
 > 
 > That€€€s always been the case with those who choose not 
 > to take up citizenship in the place they choose to move 
 > to. They are in fact second class people by that choice 
 > and rightly so imo. 
  
 "That's always been the case". 
  
 But it shouldn't be. There is no case to be made for disenfranchising 
 anyone. 
  
 What is the principled difference between a UK citizen who works abroad 
 (eg, a Foreign Office employee) and a UK citizen who retires abroad? 
  
 >> Because UK Parliamentary representation is so tied to local geography, 
 >> ex-pats need to be either (a) limited to a vote as though still living 
 >> at their last UK address (which they might even still own), or (b) 
 >> placed within a new non-geographical constituency for British citizens 
 >> not currently resident in the UK. There would probably have to be a 
 >> multiplicity of those because there are millions of ex-pats. These 
 >> constituencies could even be based on broad regions of the UK, each 
 >> with an electorate size of the target average size as aimed for by the 
 >> Boundary Commission and equivalents. 
 > 
 > I did notice that Italians emigrants are allowed to vote in Italian 
 > elections. 
 > Not sure what happens about which constituency they get to vote in. 
  
 Perhaps we (the UK) should make enquiries. 
  
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