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  Msg # 31887 of 32000 on ZZNY4443, Thursday 9-28-22, 5:07  
  From: JOHN MAZOR  
  To: SCOTT M. KOZEL  
  Subj: Re: NTSB: Co-pilot error caused AA 587 c  
 XPost: alt.disasters.aviation, rec.aviation.piloting, rec.travel.air 
 XPost: rec.travel.usa-canada 
 From: mazorj@erols.com 
  
 "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote in message 
 news:417ED7C0.391AB58E@attbi.com... 
 > news  wrote: 
 > > 
 > > NTSB staff: Co-pilot error caused 2001 crash 
 > > Accident in Queens, New York, claimed lives of 265 people 
 > > 
 > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The co-pilot of American Airlines Flight 587 caused 
 > > the November 2001 crash in Queens, New York, that claimed the lives of 
 > > 265 people, the staff of the nation's airline safety agency reported 
 > > Tuesday. 
 > > 
 > > Investigator Robert Benzon of the National Transportation Safety Board 
 > > staff said the co-pilot's response to turbulence, just seconds after 
 > > the Airbus A300-600 plane took off from New York's John F. Kennedy 
 > > International Airport, was "unnecessary and aggressive." 
 > 
 > So what is the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) response to this 
 > determination of probable cause? 
 > 
 > I'll bet a lot of pilots will take exception to this finding. 
  
 1.  American pilots are represented by the Allied Pilots Association, not 
 ALPA. 
 2.  See the quote in the AP story from John David of APA.  They don't deny 
 that the pilot's inputs broke the tail, but properly note the circumstances 
 leading up to that. 
 3.  ALPA doesn't disagree with the NTSB findings. 
  
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