XPost: alt.disasters.aviation, rec.aviation.piloting, rec.travel.air 
 XPost: rec.travel.usa-canada 
 From: easily@entertained.net 
  
 "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote in message 
 news:418021B0.7DD20161@attbi.com... 
 > "AbsolutelyCertain"  wrote: 
 > > 
 > > "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote: 
 > > > "AbsolutelyCertain"  wrote: 
 > > > > "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote 
 > > > > > "AbsolutelyCertain"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > > "AbsolutelyCertain"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > > > "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > > > > "AbsolutelyCertain"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > > > > > "Scott M. Kozel"  wrote: 
 > > > > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > > > > > So what is the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) 
 response to this 
 > > > > > > > > > > > determination of probable cause? 
 > > > > > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > > > > > I'll bet a lot of pilots will take exception to this 
 finding. 
 > > > > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > > > > Brilliant, Scotty!!!!!!!!!!  Your Ouija Board finally 
 paid off!! 
 > > > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > > > Well, you aren't one, and I posted my question so that I 
 could hear the 
 > > > > > > > > > opinions of the various pilots here. 
 > > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > > I'm not what? 
 > > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > > A professional aircraft pilot. 
 > > > > > > 
 > > > > > > My Commercial Pilot Certificate was issued in 1966, and enabled 
 me to earn 
 > > > > > > an interesting, albeit not luxurious, living for some time. 
 > > > > > 
 > > > > > Puh-leeze.  I've been reading your posts in alt.disasters.aviation 
 since 
 > > > > > 1998, and you never before made any claim about being a 
 professional 
 > > > > > aircraft pilot. 
 > > > > 
 > > > > Actually, I have told quite a few sea stories.  I've also mentioned 
 that I 
 > > > > instructed for ten years, flew freight, flew charters, flew ferries, 
 the 
 > > > > basic gypsy pilot's existence.  My pilot certificate is 1662849CFI. 
 The CFI 
 > > > > stands for Certified Flight Instructor.  I held an Advanced Ground 
 > > > > Instructor ticket too, but I don't know if they issue anything like 
 that any 
 > > > > more.  Taught a lot of ground school. 
 > > > 
 > > > Uh-huh.  Funny that you list those in the past tense, as if they 
 > > > happened a long time ago. 
 > > 
 > > You've invented yet another way to make an ass of yourself, Scott.  Do 
 > > yourself a favor, and go away. 
 > > 
 > > A medical condition prevents me from flying now.  Do you want to insult 
 me 
 > > over that, too? 
 > 
 > Well, your posting history in a.d.a indicates that you often don't care 
 > how many people you insult, but no, I don't want to insult you over what 
 > you just said. 
  
 Fuck you, Kozel. 
  
 > 
 > This isn't about me, though, and I've said before that nearly all of the 
 > a.d.a regulars know a lot more about aviation than I do, and that I am 
 > glad to listen and learn from them. 
  
 Oooh.... is that a tear in my eye? 
  
 > 
 > I posted my topmost statement because I am interested in hearing what 
 > the various professional pilots have to say about the NTSB findings 
 > about the AA 587 crash, and I know that a lot of professional pilots 
 > think (perhaps rightly, IMO) that the government crash investigators are 
 > sometimes too biased in favor of blaming "pilot error" for a crash. 
 > 
 > If you have a thoughtful analysis about the NTSB findings, I would be 
 > interested in hearing it.  So far all you've done in this thread is to 
 > perpetuate a noisy argument that has nothing to do with the NTSB 
 > findings. 
  
 Liar, and shithead.  It's an 'argument' I didn't start.  It's an argument 
 you were all to happy to jump into with both feet and your ass in both 
 hands. 
  
 My opinion on the AA587 situation was posted here a long time ago.  If you 
 paid as much attention to the details in here as you do to the study of stop 
 signs ......you'd know what I said.  Let me paraphrase:  They ought to 
 fucking be able to design and build airplanes that can't be broken with 
 control inputs at, near, or below maneuvering speed.  If they build an 
 airplane that can't meet that requirement, then they need to plaster the 
 warnings all over everything and beat the operators to train accordingly. 
  
 Now that they've "blamed" the pilot for doing what he thought was an 
 ordinary thing, I hope they feel better.  I think it sucks. 
  
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