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 Michelle Steiner  wrote: 
  
 >In article <4ai9f0dfd54ed548p516c88mpdgtnftj6p@4ax.com>, 
 > Martin W. Smith  wrote: 
 > 
 >> >If the Palestinians were to lay down their weapons today, there 
 >> >would be peace between them and Israel by tomorrow. 
 >> 
 >> No there wouldn't, because Israel wouldn't get all its squatters out 
 >> of the west bank, 
 > 
 >How do you know? 
  
 Because there is nothing to stop them from getting them out now, 
 except the settlers themselves. The settlers do not make Israel safer. 
 The settlers are vulnerable to attack, so the IDF must expend 
 resources protecting them. 
  
 >> wouldn't acknowledge the right of return for the 
 >> people who lived in Israel, 
 > 
 >People who left Israel voluntarily, even when Israel begged them to 
 >remain, and who--until very recently--refused to return unless Israel 
 >ceased to exist. 
  
 I don't think so. People don't leave their homes en masse voluntarily. 
 If it had been anywhere else in the world, even you would have called 
 it ethnic cleansing. 
  
 >> and wouldn't share Jerusalem. 
 > 
 >It doesn't matter to you one bit that Jordan wouldn't share Jerusalem 
 >from 1948 to 1967, does it? 
  
 It's irrelevant. Now Jersulaem can be shared. Jordan is out of the 
 picture. 
  
 >  The fact is that Israel shares Jerusalem 
 >with Moslems much more than they ever shared it with Israel. 
  
 That's also irrelevant. We're talking about making Jerusalem the 
 shared capital of two states now. 
  
 >> So we would be right back where we were after Israel was first 
 >> created by unfairly treating the Palestinians, the situation which 
 >> has never been resolved and which is the source of all the fighting. 
 > 
 >It wasn't unfair treatment, and they weren't Palestinians in the current 
 >usage of that word. 
  
 They were people who lived in Palestine. That's what we call 
 Palestinians. It was unfair treatment. Fair treatment is to make them 
 all full citizens of Israel. 
  
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