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 From: gay-perverts@nbc.com 
  
 'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term 
  
 The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and 
 "pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two 
 intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary 
 defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to 
 persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who 
 is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition 
 refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the 
 latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object. 
  
 A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who 
 is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted 
 to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually 
 attracted to girls. 
  
 Furthermore, Herek deceitfully leaves out the salient facts in 
 the Jenny study, which Dailey explains in Footnote 23 of his 
 article: 
  
 The Jenny study used this narrow profile despite the fact that 
 the study itself found that 22 percent of the perpetrators were 
 of the same sex as the victim. In these cases the molesters 
 clearly engaged in homosexual sexual molestation. 
  
 Twenty-two percent of the molestations were homosexual, and 
 using a 2% figure for the percentage that homosexuals are of the 
 total population, this would be a ratio of 11 to 1. On a 
 probability basis, homosexuals are 11 times more likely to 
 molest children than heterosexuals. This fits in the low end of 
 most valid statistics on this problem. They generally range from 
 10 to 30 times. Also these figures are very conservative for two 
 reasons. By far, most of the homosexual molesters are men 
 abusing boys; and sexual abuse of boys is under-reported. And, 
 since there are both men and women in the 2% homosexual 
 category, using 2% is too high for the number of homosexual men. 
 On the under-reporting of sexual abuse by boys, the Dailey 
 article states: 
  
 Dr. Robert Johnson, in Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 
 reports: "The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation 
 is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the 
 incidents and their feelings to themselves." 
  
 The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation 
 explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated: 
 "Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types 
 of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of 
 their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not 
 understand their victimization. ... No matter what the 
 investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were 
 victims." 
  
 And certainly if the boy does not report the molestation, the 
 molester is not going to. Therefore, a very large number of the 
 homosexual molestations never come to light. 
  
 On a Marshall, et al, study referred to by Dailey, Herek tries 
 to detract from its relevance by making such statements as: 
  
 The offenders were not asked their sexual orientation (gay, 
 straight, bisexual) and the paper does not report any 
 information about the nature of the offenders' adult sexual 
 relationships, or even if they had any such relationships. 
  
 First, the study clearly showed that it was of men who molested 
 boys. This in itself shows that they were homosexual pedophiles. 
 Herek tries to get away form this by his special definitions. 
 The study even went further and showed that the molesters were 
 also "attracted to men of all ages." Herek still tries to argue 
 that even this has no bearing on whether or not they were 
 homosexuals. It certainly can get ridiculous when you abandon 
 common sense. Herek completely ignores another Marshall study 
 referred to by Dailey, where 30% of the male sex offenders 
 admitted to sex with adult males, as well as with the boys they 
 molested. 
  
 Herek criticizes a study of Bickley & Beech referred to by 
 Dailey. The thrust of the criticism seems to be that there were 
 other studies that were somewhat different, and that the studies 
 had little meaning because they focused only on the sex of the 
 victim, without determining the sex of the offender. However, it 
 has been well established that the vast majority of child 
 molesters are male, so male molestation of boys would be 
 homosexual. However, the tests do concentrate on recidivism, and 
 have no great bearing on the percentages of homosexuals that are 
 sex offenders. On this part I would agree with Herek. But the 
 information does go to show more of the excesses of homosexuals. 
  
 Dailey referred to some writings of the homosexuals, Jay and 
 Young. The only thing Herek came up with on this was: 
  
 This book, published nearly 30 years ago by a team of writer- 
 activists, is not a scientific study. The authors' survey 
 methodology is not reported in detail and, because it was a 
 journalistic work, the survey was never subjected to scientific 
 peer review. 
  
 Herek makes no attempt to refute this significant statement: 
  
 In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen 
 Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of 
 homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen 
 to nineteen years of age or younger. 
  
 Significantly, the other statements in Herek's paper indicate 
 that he would not consider the above as child molesting, anyway, 
 because the boys were past puberty. The fact that they may be 
 below the age of consent apparently makes no difference to such 
 people as Herek. 
  
 Dailey referred to a study by W. D. Erickson, stating: 
  
 A study of 229 convicted child molesters in Archives of Sexual 
 Behavior found that "eighty-six percent of offenders against 
 males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual." 
  
 All that Herek could come up with on this was: 
  
 However, no details are provided about how this information was 
 ascertained, making it difficult to interpret. Nor did the 
 authors report the number of homosexual versus bisexual 
 offenders, a distinction that the Groth and Birnbaum study 
 (described above) indicates is relevant. 
  
 Herek would have us believe that male on male molestation is not 
 homosexual molestation, merely because some molesters described 
 themselves as bisexual instead of homosexual. This is false and 
 is just further confusion that Herek would like to introduce. 
  
 The following in the Dailey article was ignored by Herek for 
 obvious reasons: 
  
 Fr. John Harvey, founder and director of Courage, a support 
 ministry for Catholics who struggle with same-sex attraction, 
 explains that "the pedophile differs from the ordinary 
 homosexual in that the former admires boyishness in the object 
 of his affections, while the latter admires manliness." However, 
 the categories are not completely separate: 
  
 While granting that the majority of homosexuals are not aroused 
 by young boys, the distinction between homosexuality and 
 homosexual pedophilia is not quite absolute. In some cases the 
 interest oscillates between young adolescents and adults, in 
 others between boys and adolescents; in exceptional cases a man 
  
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