XPost: alt.conspiracy, ba.general, la.general 
 XPost: soc.culture.jewish 
 From: dorfman@rahul.net 
  
 The Revd Terence Fformby-Smythe (reniggade@anglicam.org) wrote: 
 : On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:30:23 +0000 (UTC), Merlin Dorfman 
 :  wrote: 
  
 ... 
  
 : >: >     And on what basis do you believe that Dickens's portrayal of 
 : >: >Fagan indicates negative emotions towards all Jews? 
 : > 
 : >: You think this was a positive stereotype? 
 : > 
 : >     I don't think it was a stereotype.  Bill Sykes was a brutal 
 : >bully.  Was that a stereotype for all Englishmen? 
  
 : Well, duh, how many Englishmen did Dickens portray?  And how many 
 : jews? 
  
      Seems to me that a great many of his portrayals of Englishmen 
 were negative.  Was he anti-English? 
  
 : >     You see, Dickens, being a literary giant, was considerably 
 : >wiser than you.  He knew that if one Jew was a thief, or one 
 : >Englishman was a brutal bully, it didn't mean they all were. 
  
 : Duh.  Tell me again how many jews Dickens portrayed?  Was even one 
 : portrayed in a positive light? 
  
      I don't know.  You tell me. 
  
 : >: >     But more important, if you don't challenge Shakespeare's 
 : >: >conceptions, you must agree with him that when a Jew converts to 
 : >: >Christianity he becomes ichiban #1 OK good guy. 
 : > 
 : >: Shakespeare correctly identified the problem but not, perhaps, the 
 : >: solution. 
 : > 
 : >     What, are you disagreeing with the literary giant, you 
 : >miserable minion? 
  
 : Shakespeare was not infallible.  He was partly right.  If he was alive 
 : today he would welcome my clarification. 
  
      What "clarification" is that?  That he was wrong to believe that 
 Jews who converted to Christianity were OK?  What kind of a minion are 
 you? 
  
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