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From: gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:32:21 GMT, T O N E
wrote:
==>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:47:43 -0400, Ivan Gowch
==> wrote:
==>> You're an asshole, Jim. You don't know squat.
==>>
==>> About 90 per cent of prisoners in the U.S. are
==>> incarcerated for non-violent crimes, and should never
==>> have been imprisoned in the first place.
==>That is totally wrong.
Actually, it's just about totally right.
==>Cite your source.
U.S. Department of Justice crime stats
==> How many jails have you been
==>to or visited?
What could that possibly have to do with it?
You think maybe I got that percentage by
walking around some joint asking the inmates
if they dunnit or not? Don't be more of a
dumbass than you need to be, OK?
IG:
==>> Besides that, an unknown but significant percentage
==>> of prisoners in the U.S. are utterly innocent of the
==>> crimes for which they were arrested -- having been
==>> convicted through wrongdoing by police and/or
==>> prosecutors or because they couldn't afford competent
==>> counsel. Mostly, they were members of a minority
==>> group and therefore an easy conviction in the racist
==>> U.S.
==>"unknown but significant"? If you don't know, then you have no idea if
==>it is significant or not.
It's significant enough that virtually every
week, the media carries at least one story
about some poor motherfucker who's spent
decades in prison for a crime he didn't
commit. Using the "tip of the iceberg" rule,
I am extremely confident that, yes, the number
of innocent people in U.S. prisons is
significant. It's for that reason that "innocence
projects" have sprung up all over the U.S. to
try to get justice for some of these people.
==> Believe it or not, there is not a single
==>element within or without the penal system that wishes to put innocent
==>people in jail.
Thanks for proving that you don't know the first
thing about the U.S. penal system -- or are part
of it, and therefore an apologist.
In fact, your Supreme court has ruled that even
new evidence of actual innocence of a crime
for which someone has been convicted is
NO BAR TO THAT PERSON'S EXECUTION
[Herrera v. Collins, SCOTUS, (506 U.S. 390 (1993)].
The appelant in that case, Herrera, was actually
executed, although there was persuasive evidence
that he was not guilty. It was his misfortune that
that evidence surfaced only after he had been
wrongfully -- but not *illegally* -- convicted.
Does your pea-brain grasp the horror of a justice
system that states baldly that it is acceptable to
execute someone who presents evidence of his
innocence, or are you so brainwashed or subservient
that you can try to justify this?
More than 80 death row inmates have been released
because of wrongful convictions since 1973. You
don't beed to be a genius to realize this translates
into vast numbers of people imprisoned for lesser
crimes despite the fact they're not guilty.
Your cops manufacture evidence and beat, and
trick, confessions out of people. Cops and
prosecutors routinely suppress exculpatory
evidence, and your corrupt, elected (and therefore
eager to appear tough on crime) judges turn a
blind eye. It is an open secret in your "justice"
system that multitudes of wrongfully accused persons
end up pleading guilty to lesser charges because
they've been convinced by cops and prosecutors
that their convictions on the more serious charges
would be a certainty, whether they're guilty or not.
These cases don't appear in any statistics, since
the victims pleaded guilty and therefore have lost any
right of appeal.
The only people on the United Snakes who don't
know all this are rich, white ones.
==>It happens, but not nearly as often as you may think.
==>There is a lot of opinion in your post, but no facts.
Just because it makes you uncomfortable to
recognize facts doesn't mean I didn't offer them.
==>
Bullcrap. It may be an "exception," but it's hardly
rare.
You excised it because it doesn't fit your
comfy preconceived notions, so I'm putting it
back in:
The other day, North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley
pardoned Darryl Hunt (a black man, of course) in a
1984 rape and murder, a crime for which he was
wrongfully convicted and spent 18 years in prison.
As compensation, Hunt will receive $360,000 -- that's
$20,000 for each year he rotted in prison. That, in
the United Snakes, is what an innocent man's life is
worth.
==>The number is closer to 60% of people in jail who HAVE committed
==>violent crimes.
Absolute nonsense, as anyone who cares
to check FBI crime stats can see.
==> The number of innocent men in jail is highly
==>exaggerated,
Bwahaha! Talk about substituting opinion for
fact. . . .
==> you never hear about the guilty ones so you probably just
==>assume they are all non-violent and innocent. Most of these people
==>would shank you for extra dessert.
"Most of these people. . ."
I rest my case. You don't know shit.
--
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NEVER tell the police anything.
NEVER consent to a search.
NEVER confess.
NEVER discuss your case with others.
NEVER plea bargain.
ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
ALWAYS plead not guilty.
ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
ALWAYS pass on these rules.
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