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 From: defenderofenourmousmanhood@rogers.com 
  
 The question was actually rhetorical, and meant for Veranda. 
  
 "Jeffrey E. Salzberg"  wrote in message 
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 > In article , 
 > defenderofenourmousmanhood@rogers.com says... 
 > 
 > > Of course I am aware, and the political movement is about establishing a 
 > > homeland state. 
 > 
 > ...And preserving it. 
  
 Yes, and in every other country, we call that Patriotism! 
 Why do we call it Zionism in Israel? 
 Israel might be a Jewish State, Canada might be a Christian State. 
 But both have democracy (representative), and both have a seperation of 
 Church and State. 
 Yet both have their own religious fringes. 
  
  
 > 
 > > Why do you keep ignoring why Israel is occupying lands? 
 > 
 > See above. 
  
 We know the Strategic Defence of the nation is the only reason Israel 
 occupies the lands. 
 We know it ain't for the Oil - there isn't any - nor the gold - there isn't 
 any, nor the lush green meadows - there isn't any. 
  
 > 
 > If the Palestinians want another state, all they have to do is 
 > demonstrate their acceptance of Israel's right to exist.  A good start 
 > would be for them to force the terrorists to stop murdering Israeli 
 > civilians. 
  
 Well that is assuming the government can actually control terrorism. 
 Think of how well our own governments deal with organized crime - say the 
 drug cartels. 
 That may be an unfair situation to put Palestinain authorities, and expect a 
 better success rate than we have against organized crime. 
 After all killing civillians is organized crime. It is not the behavior of a 
 nation, which Palestinians are thought to want for themselves. 
 And Israel has to understand that no Palestinian Authority can be totally 
 effective in that regard. But they can make a real, serious and committed 
 effort in to stopping it and creating an atmosphere where people are focused 
 on building their futures, rather than walking backwards to have revenge for 
 a serious consequence that their terrorist acts brought upon them. 
  
 Where in the world can you just kill innocent people in the street and not 
 be considered a crime? 
 You can kill soldiers, you can marshal a population, but you cannot kill 
 civillians. 
 Look what America did when Terrorists killed civillians. They destroyed two 
 countries, on that their generals complained about a lack of targets - it 
 was so impovershed and backwards. 
  
 That actually is the appropriate response to terrorism. However sending the 
 military to utterly destroy every thing that moves is also a legitimate 
 response. And look how controlled and held back Israel has been over the 
 years. Say compared to the - shoot first, find weapons of mass destruction 
 later - good old USA? 
  
 Damned right they have to stop killing civillians. And the giving of lands, 
 which compromises security is a concession that should cease the violence, 
 as their concession to peace. Because to take the lands and continue attacks 
 is a clear statement that peae is not the desire of Palestinians - therefore 
 they should get what they want - does that not make sense. If their position 
 is - no we are going to keep killing you until you are all dead of leave - 
 then Israel is perfectly justified in permanently eliminating the threat to 
 their security. 
  
 So is it peace or war? 
 There is no peace - and no real war. This situation has gone on a long time, 
 but it can't go on forever. It's too costly on both sides. 
  
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