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 From: defenderofenourmousmanhood@rogers.com 
  
 Come on, you are arguing semantics, bahahahahaha.....same problems with the 
 substance though. 
 I would think anybody living in Israel is a Zionist. 
  
  
 I mean it all comes from Mount Zion and the Jewish Temple that stood there. 
 That has come to symbolize the Jewish State. 
 Well there is a Jewish State....and all who are citizens are Zionists. 
  
 Sharon is a Zionist, because he lives in and supports a Jewish State - 
 Zion - hence a Zionist. 
  
 Now get this, he is unilaterally returning a lot of land to the 
 Palistinians. So he is giving up Jewish occupied lands. 
 He becomes a two-faced Zionist, when he wants to hang on to some of the 
 lands that are most stategic for defence. 
 So in Veranda's eyes, he is a Zionist fighting for a Jewish Nation. 
  
 But she forgets there is a Zion. What there is no - is Palestine. And here 
 is a first step to a Palistine. 
 See, Palistine was never a seperate Arab country, it was actually a noman's 
 land for people that no Arab country wanted. 
 Technically I think it was mostly Jordan lands. But if you think of it 
 When????? 
  
 That area of the world has been occupied by foreign forces since at least 
 Roman times. Even Israel when it stood there last was under Roman occupation 
 for a good long time before Rome destroyed it. It's been occupied right up 
 to recent times, by the European Colonialists. Same Colonialists that Carved 
 boundaries that are the boundaries of the Arab nations today, that were 
 given independence not much earlier that Israel was given land, by the 
 occupiers of that land. While Palestinians have a claim, it is not a long 
 standing claim, and it is not a clear cut claim. 
  
 And you know back in 1967 when the entire Arab Middle East launched war on 
 Israel from all fronts, and were trounced in 6 days, losing land because of 
 such a hostile act, where were the Arab brothers? Standing at their borders 
 with guns not letting the Palistinians enter their countries for refuge and 
 safety. The Palestinian situation was a strategic move by the Arab nations 
 to use the Palestinians as hostages, with no place to go, caught in the 
 middle of that war's conflict and fallout. 
  
 The world view on Palestine was not supportive initially. Blame was put 
 where is was due - on the Arab nations tha made the war, and left the 
 Palestinians out in the cold. But just because Israel and the Arab world 
 were both wrong, peopel started to notice it was the Palestinians that were 
 suffering. And in all fairness they should have a nation in that region that 
 is their nation. They never had a nation in the region, not like say Israel. 
 But they deserve their own country. And they deserve to live in peace. 
  
 Now they need land. Sharon is giveing them some. He may give them more as 
 peace becomes a reality. 
 They will not get all their lands back. That ain't happening. But they will 
 get most of it back, and have a nation for the first time, because they are 
 really the discards of the neighbouring Arab nations. I don't mean that in a 
 derogatory sense, but I am sure the Arab world does. 
  
 The truth, the reality is quite shocking. The Palestinians have more of a 
 true friend in Israel than they do with their Arab neighbours. 
 I mean Israel may not have treated them great - but they didn't throw them 
 to the lions. But Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq,  Lybia and others did. MAtter 
 of fact, even after the war, Isael gave Palestinains jobs, but that had to 
 stopp, because egged on by their sinister brothers, they started bombing and 
 killing civillians. They could have had their peace long, long ago if it 
 wasn't for the external aggitation. 
  
  
  
 "Angie King"  wrote in message 
 news:ul1o70ttagjg343nnj527ma06ndi998ppr@4ax.com... 
 > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:53:39 GMT, "veranda"  wrote: 
 > 
 > >"Angie King"  wrote in message 
 > >news:rhqm70974m70108069jcv7gc5li19brnqn@4ax.com... 
 > >> 
 > >> What a moron this Veranda person is.. 
 > >> 
 > > 
 > >    For exposing the Zionist Sharon ?  From Reuters ? 
 > >    What , are you stupid or just a Zionist buffoon ? 
 > > 
 > > 
 > Proof of Intend???? 
  
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