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 From: nightwriter@hotmail.com 
  
 "Jeffrey E. Salzberg"  wrote in message 
 news:MPG.1ae7199ed790d60f9896b0@news.comcast.giganews.com... 
 > In article , 
 > defenderofenourmousmanhood@rogers.com says... 
 > > The question was actually rhetorical, and meant for Veranda. 
 > 
 > I know, but it didn't hurt for her to see a sane person's answer. 
 > 
 > 
 > > We know it ain't for the Oil - there isn't any - nor the gold - there 
 isn't 
 > > any, nor the lush green meadows - there isn't any. 
 > 
 > Interesting that in Israel, there are...although there didn't used to 
 > be.  The Palestinians could do that, too, but don't. 
  
 because they aren't funded to the tune of billions of dollars every year by 
 the US, perhaps?? 
  
 > 
 > 
 > > Where in the world can you just kill innocent people in the street and 
 not 
 > > be considered a crime? 
 > 
 > For that matter, if Israel were note a primarily Jewish state, no one 
 > would be questioning their right to defend themselves. 
  
 bullshit.  this is not some form of subtle anti-semitism.  people in the 
 west are wrapped up in the Israeli conflict because we a) helped to create 
 it  b) help israel  c)  realize the palestinian/israeli conflict has at 
 least a little something to do with anti-western sentiment among terrorists. 
 these things affect/effect us in the west.  stop whining about 
 anti-semitism.  half the time the jews scream anti-semitism, i'm left 
 scratching my head wondering 'where?'.  both sides in that conflict have 
 done horrible things.  neither is 100% right.  to say that palestinians 
 could pick themselves up from their current situation belies two things: 
 you don't understand the ugly nature of socio-economics when a financial 
 power delineated by race/colour sits beside a financial cesspool.  the 
 palestinians are uneducated and poor and embittered.  theirs is a david and 
 goliath story, the story that all of hollywood casts its heroes from - 
 rising up against their oppressor.  i can understand how they are constantly 
 able to bring up 'heroes' who are willing to do atrocious things for their 
 'cause'.  it is a mythos that has been around for millennia.  but israel 
 won't set about to raise the standards of living (including education) of 
 the palestinians, because a) it would put more money in their pockets which 
 could lead to more lethal attacks against israel, and b)  racism.  it's a 
 difficult position to be in, and of course, if a solution was able to be 
 found that would be equally agreeable to both sides, it would have been done 
 by now.  the problem is, as i see it, the israeli's feel they have the most 
 to lose, and in many respects, they do.  the notion of compromise means that 
 both sides are to be equally unhappy with the result.  that way, no one got 
 robbed in the deal.  but israel holds more power and doesn't want to 
 acquiesse.  to do so would not be in fitting with their status, and it would 
 also mean that they would be giving in to terrorism, essentially, which is 
 always a dangerous thing to do.  there is no answer.  someone has to decide 
 when the violence will stop, and seeing as israel is the military power, the 
 financial power, they have to be the ones to do it.  the palestinians 
 certainly won't, what have they go to lose?  someday someone in israel is 
 going to say 'enough'.  whatever it takes to let my people live in peace, 
 let's make it happen.  let them have their demands.  fuck it.  it's not like 
 israel is going to lose its wealth, status, power, control.  the seeds of 
 peace must be sown now if there is ever to be peace.  they can never root 
 out the terrorists unless they are willing to sterilize all the 
 palestinians.  realizing that would make things a hell of a lot easier the 
 next time they sit down at the bargaining table. 
  
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