XPost: alt.thebird.copwatch, alt.law-enforcement, alt.true-crime
XPost: alt.california
From: central222@hotmail.com
Pagan wrote:
>
> "Morf" wrote in message
> news:40902233.687E@hotmail.com...
> > Cpk197 wrote:
> > >
> > > >Subject: Re: Armed resistance in Pomona CA
> > > >From: repalciere@aol.com (RepAlciere)
> > > >Date: 4/27/04 7:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> > > >Message-id: <20040427194121.09674.00000176@mb-m02.aol.com>
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>On 26 Apr 2004 22:42:19 GMT, repalciere@aol.com (RepAlciere) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>==============
> > > >>>>>The cops picked the wrong kid to lie about in court. --Tom
> > > >>>>>==============
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>Yada Yada. Same old nonsensical blather.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>It's called a hypothesis. Prove it wrong.
> > > >>
> > > >>The officer was there to testify on traffic cases totally unrealated
> > > >>to to this suspect or anything to do with drugs.
> > > >
> > > >That part does not disprove the hypothesis that the kid acted in
> retaliation
> > > >for the actions of a perfidious, obnoxious, lying-in-court egomaniac
> > >
> > > Look who's talking about lies?? It looks like alot of transferannce for
> your
> > > very own inadequacies from birth are being placed and blamed on cops!
> > > You really see them as your heroes and know that you can never live up
> to those
> > > expectations so to try to prove your own non-exisant masculinatity as
> you run
> > > for office only to get the quick boot, develop your own ego, lie to
> people and
> > > than when everything blows up in your face you blame the cops for
> everything
> > > that's gone wrong in your world instead of taking personal
> responsibility. I
> > > would say you are a threat to society and we have an obligation to
> notify the
> > > local authorities of the potential threats you post so you can be
> > > psychologically evaluated and hopefully put you away. Perhaps
forwarding
> these
> > > posts to your local PD once again and your local media might provide
> some
> > > assistance to you?
> > >
> > > >(P.O.L.I.C.E.) because, as I stated before, it would make NO
difference
> which
> > > >cop dies for the actions of another cop.
> > >
> > > Only a lunatic would make such an illogical and ludicrous statement.
You
> are
> > > not a well man!
> >
> >
> > Cops declare war collectively on the ghettos, and expect individual
> > consideration
> > from their enemy?
> >
> > Tom has warped views, but his statement is often true.
> >
> > In California the gangs give rewards for "any" police death.
> >
> > Denying it or calling it insane only opens cops up to more death.
> >
> > I agree with his premise that criminals will kill any cop for the
> > actions of another
> > cop.
> >
> > It isn't insane, they consider the cops in the ghettos to be an
> > occupying force.
>
> You seem to think only cops and gangs are in ghettos. Did you forget there
> are regular people there, too, that don't want to sell or do drugs, rape,
> rob, murder, or otherwise hurt anybody, and that they are the only real
> targets of the gangs?
Not at all. I realize that fully.
My point was that gangs or individuals will retalliate against people or
cops
as a whole. For example a gang may attack the family of their target for
the
actions of another. Cops sometimes act similarly, which may well have
created
many gangs. Gangs are group self defense. Safety in numbers applies to
cops as
well. Why wouldn't it?
Tom's statement that the kid was retalliating for the actions of any cop
to pay
for a wrong done to him isn't disproved by ranting about lunatical
thought processes.
Cops who have never done anything wrong often are punished for the
actions of some
earlier encounter with the punisher.
Baghdad or Harlem, both sides contain extremists, that kill the innocent
and blame
the other gangs/insurgents/coalitions for the civilian casualties.
The outcome in Baghdad was obvious since we sent the NYPD to train the
Iraqi cops.
> Or do you just not consider regular people worth
> worrying about?
It is you, who are the ones who don't consider the neutral ghetto
dwellers.
I work to stop the killings/crimes on both sides.
Cops work to reduce killing by killing or other means.
A futile effort at best. It is self defeating.
The perception remains. Street killings from cops or gangs have the
exact same
ultimate effect on the neutrak observer.
When an innocent dies, the ghetto dwellers don't care which side killed
their family.
They want the war stopped.
I want the war stopped.
Do you think I haven't stopped or reported crimes by non-cops?
You must be careful when reporting crimes though, in the ghetto.
Cops may target you by association to the criminal by location, and the
gangs
may retalliate as well.
> > > Try seeking help on your own, before they come take you away you
freakin
> > > nutjob!
> >
> > Stop trying to convince cops that it won't happen.
>
> Who said it won't happen?
CPK did right up above.
Here's the quote:
"Only a lunatic would make such an illogical and ludicrous statement."
The statement was:
"as I stated before, it would make NO difference which cop dies for the
actions of another cop."
Tom stated his hypothesis of a possible motive to the cop shooting.
CPK bugged out calling him a loon for his premise, but offered nothing
to
bolster his claim of falsehood of the hypothesis, he merely suggests
disproval
by making the statement conditional that any who believe the statement
to be
true is insane.
Don't you also believe that cops often are retalliated against for the
actions of another?
How else would cops explain ambushes?
The gnags have no way of knowing which cops would respond.
I'm not condoning the killings or violence by the cops or the gangs.
I just know exactly how the Iraqis feel.
The cops have been liberating our neighborhoods for decades.
The targeting by cops has been met by targeting by gangs.
The aggressive brutality by cops has escalated and has been matched by
the gangs.
Here is the bottom line.
More aggressive police actions will undoubtably increase the likelihood
of
bystander deaths and suffering.
The city suffers as the image of blood in the streets is ever present.
It does not matter who spilled it.
The property values decline, the taxes skyrocket.
And as the city faces bankruptcy the cops insist more aggressive
policing
than ever is needed.
War in the neighborhood is unacceptable to the inhabitants.
Here is a hint:
Cops are loved in the ghetto, as the coalition is loved by the Iraqis.
Both have protection forced upon them, by imported guns, that accept
civilian
casualties.
I hope this clears things up for you.
> Pagan
--
Vincella wrote:> > People would learn to defend themselves if there were
no cops,just think> about it,cops aren't going to save you if someone
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