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 From: liberty@once.net 
  
 "danny burstein"  wrote in message 
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 > In <85bse0t5624di9co3cft6ol7th8faij03s@4ax.com> Phil 
  writes: 
 > 
 > >That loophole does exist. 
 > 
 > nope. They (companies you've dealt with) are allowed initial contact even 
 > if you're on the do not call list. But you can then tell them to go away. 
  
 This is true, but why didn't you say so in the first place, rather than act 
 like an asshole? 
 I was NOT wrong in stating they can call you, but I simply omitted this 
 additional information. 
  
 > Note that they're still allowed to do safety and billing and similar 
 > calls, which gives them some leeway. But they're not supposed to call you 
 > with a "one week only! Free caller ID if you sign up RIGHT NOW" stuff. 
 > 
 > excerpting from the FTC: 
 > 
 > "A telemarketer or seller may call a consumer with whom it has an 
 > established business relationship for up to 18 months after the consumer's 
 > last purchase, delivery, or payment - even if the consumer's number is on 
 > the National Do Not Call Registry 
 > 
 > "One caveat: if a consumer asks a company not to call, the company may not 
 > call, even if there is an established business relationship. Indeed, a 
 > company may not call a consumer - regardless of whether the consumer's 
 > number is on the registry - if the consumer has asked to be put on the 
 > company's own do not call list 
 > 
 > https://www.donotcall.gov/FAQ/FAQBusiness.aspx 
  
 In view of the above, Verizon IS IN VIOLATION of these rules if they do not 
 IMMEDIATELY cease telemarketing calls when requested to do so. And they 
 DON'T! 
  
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