XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:14:56 GMT, slim 
  wrote: 
  
 > 
 > 
 >Obwon wrote: 
 >> 
 >> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:29:35 GMT, Phil 
 >>  wrote: 
 >> 
 >> >On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:11:42 GMT, slim  wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> >>> In order for a DAT to be issued, the police officer must personally 
 >> >>> witness the crime being committed. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>Alleged crime. You may plead not guilty to a DAT. 
 >> > 
 >> >So, then, until a person is convicted of a crime, he is not a 
 >> >criminal.  Is this what you're saying? 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> >Phil 
 >> > 
 >>   What country do you come from?  Why would you think 
 >> otherwise?  You seem to think that simply because a 
 >> policeman alleges that he witnessed a crime, that's it? 
 >> It's a conviction?  No wonder you're such a staunch 
 >> supporter of Giuliani, you have no concept of how American 
 >> law works or why it is arranged that way! 
 >> 
 >>   Now we know, Giuliani supporter are terribly ignorant and 
 >> unable to comprehend, or even willing inform themselves of 
 >> what the American system of justice requires and why. 
 >> 
 >>   Meanwhile, any person whose read a little history would 
 >> know that to make the police, judge, jury and executioner, 
 >> would hardly yield the right to claim that the country is 
 >> free.  That is the exact description of a police state!  And 
 >> that is precisely what your posts always imply that you 
 >> believe is the correct way to administer matters at law. 
 >> 
 >>   Why not do us all a favor and better inform yourself 
 >> before you attempt to argue things about which you clearly 
 >> know nothing?  Do a google on Arrest, Trial, Criminal 
 >> Charges, Guilt, Innocense and try to figure it out.  There 
 >> is a distinct possibility that using those search terms 
 >> you'll come upon a few websites that will help you 
 >> understand why we do things the way we do in America. 
 > 
 >Phil and his ilk are those who profess that they "have nothing 
 >to hide" andn that lets them suspend the Constitution, the 
 >Bill of Rights and the American Way for everyone else. 
 > 
 >Phil must have some "Judge Dredd" comic book collection! 
 > 
 >Can you see it? Phil  with his GI Joes and Judge Dredd comics, 
 >imagining fighting crime and never being wrong about 
 >arrests, convictions and executions? 
 > 
 >No wonder Phil is such a big Giuliani fan, since Rudy tries 
 >to make himself bigger than life every chance he gets! 
 > 
 >-- 
 > 
 >"Bubba got a blowjob, BU$H fucked us all!" - Slim 
 > 
 >George "The AWOL President" Bush: http://awol.gq.nu/4dawol.htm 
 > 
 >WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html 
 > 
 >VOTE HIM OUT! November 4, 2004 
  
   Anyone who considers him/her self a patriot must, 
 therefore, express belief, trust and faith in our 
 Constitution, that means that public officials who hide 
 records away from public view can not be electable!  You 
 cannot vote for Giuliani and still claim to be a patriotic 
 American!  It's just as simple as that! 
  
   Obwon 
  
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