XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:44:48 GMT, dashaun345@aol.com wrote: 
  
 > 
 > 
 >Obwon wrote: 
 > 
 >> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:47:11 GMT, dashaun345@aol.com wrote: 
 >> 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> >Obwon wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> >>   And LEO is trying to say that law abiding blacks welcomed 
 >> >> that kind of attention and police action because it was 
 >> >> keeping the nabe safe.  I guess he forgot about what 
 >> >> happened to a law abiding black man who tried to draw his 
 >> >> wallet with his id in it.  I guess he's also forgotten what 
 >> >> happened to another law abiding black man who tried to catch 
 >> >> a cab after work. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   Perhaps LEO doesn't know how the street crimes units were 
 >> >> working.  I saw it first hand in the Bronx, needless to say 
 >> >> it was disgusting!  I saw, for example, where they would 
 >> >> stand by the turnstyles and exit gates at Fordham Road Grand 
 >> >> Concourse and order all young black and hispanic males over 
 >> >> against the wall for no reason.  These kids were returning 
 >> >> from school or work and/or some were going home to change 
 >> >> for work or to go visiting. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   They would be held against the wall for as much as half an 
 >> >> hour while the police took their sweet time searching them. 
 >> >> All the while people exiting the subway would see them being 
 >> >> held and searched, and have to try to guess if they'd done 
 >> >> something wrong or not.  Talk about needless humiliation! 
 >> >> If the kids complained that they'd already been searched 
 >> >> elsewheres, even just minutes ago, they were likely to 
 >> >> experience rougher going, the police have a large bag of 
 >> >> tricks they can and do dip into to silence complainers. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   Then, I went up to the street and lo and behold, not two 
 >> >> blocks away, just around a corner, I see twenty more kids 
 >> >> lined up against a wall.  It's quite likely that some of 
 >> >> these kids were the same ones already searched exiting the 
 >> >> subway. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   In any event I heard nothing good about these searches, 
 >> >> kids and young adults were being stopped so frequently it 
 >> >> was almost impossible for them to navigate the streets.  Not 
 >> >> to mention those who were charged with resisting arrest, 
 >> >> disorderly conduct etc., for merely protesting their 
 >> >> treatment.  It was a godawful mess that would not have been 
 >> >> tolerated in say; Midwood, Howard Beach, The East or West 
 >> >> Village or the Upper East Side where merchants and residents 
 >> >> alike would have breathed a hot breath of fire at city hall. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   But, none of this kind of thing was reported.  The media 
 >> >> sent no reporter into these poor nabes to find out how 
 >> >> people felt about these new safe neighborhood programs.  I 
 >> >> guess they already knew, or they could get the skinny by 
 >> >> simply droping a line to the good ol' Manhattan Institute 
 >> >> hey? 
 >> >> 
 >> >>   Obwon 
 >> > 
 >> >Nobody should receive special treatment because of their 
 >> >skin color or gender. 
 >> > 
 >>   Now there's a "Manhattan Institute" line if I ever heard 
 >> one!  While it is true that this nation should try to treat 
 >> all people equally, the fact is they have been unable to 
 >> implement such a noble ideal for quite some time.  Like 
 >> perhaps two centuries? 
 >> 
 >>   Soooooo, what's a fair minded nation to do?  Well, what 
 >> was being tried was to attempt to make up for the horrendous 
 >> difficulties that caused!  An attempt to acknowledge the 
 >> past and make the effort to recompense the victims for their 
 >> suffering. 
 >> 
 >>   But statements like that one you just made, does nothing 
 >> to acknowledge the past.  In fact it tends to say that we 
 >> should go forward as if nothing like that ever existed. 
 >> Why?  Indians, Japanese and Italians are being compensated 
 >> for acknowledge mistakes of the past!  Why is it you're in 
 >> favor of forgetting and forgiving?  Isn't that kind of 
 >> position and offer supposed to come from those who suffered 
 >> the harms? 
 >> 
 >>   Here, let me put it even more clearly.  Let's suppose that 
 >> someone walked up behind you and began beating you over the 
 >> head.  Let's say that that person, then shows up in court 
 >> and says to you, "I'm sorry I did that to you, now you must 
 >> forgive me and let bygones be bygones!"  Would that cut the 
 >> mustard with you? 
 >> 
 >>   Obwon 
 > 
 >OK.  You've convinced me. 
 >Everybody should receive special treatment 
 >because of their skin color or gender. 
 > 
   Try using a little commonsense, that's not what I said! 
  
   Obwon 
  
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