XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:21:03 GMT, Rauncho Grande 
  wrote: 
  
 >On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:29:43 GMT, ob110ob@att.net (Obwon) wrote: 
 > 
 >>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:47:11 GMT, dashaun345@aol.com wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>Obwon wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>>   And LEO is trying to say that law abiding blacks welcomed 
 >>>> that kind of attention and police action because it was 
 >>>> keeping the nabe safe.  I guess he forgot about what 
 >>>> happened to a law abiding black man who tried to draw his 
 >>>> wallet with his id in it.  I guess he's also forgotten what 
 >>>> happened to another law abiding black man who tried to catch 
 >>>> a cab after work. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   Perhaps LEO doesn't know how the street crimes units were 
 >>>> working.  I saw it first hand in the Bronx, needless to say 
 >>>> it was disgusting!  I saw, for example, where they would 
 >>>> stand by the turnstyles and exit gates at Fordham Road Grand 
 >>>> Concourse and order all young black and hispanic males over 
 >>>> against the wall for no reason.  These kids were returning 
 >>>> from school or work and/or some were going home to change 
 >>>> for work or to go visiting. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   They would be held against the wall for as much as half an 
 >>>> hour while the police took their sweet time searching them. 
 >>>> All the while people exiting the subway would see them being 
 >>>> held and searched, and have to try to guess if they'd done 
 >>>> something wrong or not.  Talk about needless humiliation! 
 >>>> If the kids complained that they'd already been searched 
 >>>> elsewheres, even just minutes ago, they were likely to 
 >>>> experience rougher going, the police have a large bag of 
 >>>> tricks they can and do dip into to silence complainers. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   Then, I went up to the street and lo and behold, not two 
 >>>> blocks away, just around a corner, I see twenty more kids 
 >>>> lined up against a wall.  It's quite likely that some of 
 >>>> these kids were the same ones already searched exiting the 
 >>>> subway. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   In any event I heard nothing good about these searches, 
 >>>> kids and young adults were being stopped so frequently it 
 >>>> was almost impossible for them to navigate the streets.  Not 
 >>>> to mention those who were charged with resisting arrest, 
 >>>> disorderly conduct etc., for merely protesting their 
 >>>> treatment.  It was a godawful mess that would not have been 
 >>>> tolerated in say; Midwood, Howard Beach, The East or West 
 >>>> Village or the Upper East Side where merchants and residents 
 >>>> alike would have breathed a hot breath of fire at city hall. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   But, none of this kind of thing was reported.  The media 
 >>>> sent no reporter into these poor nabes to find out how 
 >>>> people felt about these new safe neighborhood programs.  I 
 >>>> guess they already knew, or they could get the skinny by 
 >>>> simply droping a line to the good ol' Manhattan Institute 
 >>>> hey? 
 >>>> 
 >>>>   Obwon 
 >>> 
 >>>Nobody should receive special treatment because of their 
 >>>skin color or gender. 
 >>> 
 >>  Now there's a "Manhattan Institute" line if I ever heard 
 >>one!  While it is true that this nation should try to treat 
 >>all people equally, the fact is they have been unable to 
 >>implement such a noble ideal for quite some time.  Like 
 >>perhaps two centuries? 
 >> 
 >>  Soooooo, what's a fair minded nation to do?  Well, what 
 >>was being tried was to attempt to make up for the horrendous 
 >>difficulties that caused!  An attempt to acknowledge the 
 >>past and make the effort to recompense the victims for their 
 >>suffering. 
 >> 
 >>  But statements like that one you just made, does nothing 
 >>to acknowledge the past.  In fact it tends to say that we 
 >>should go forward as if nothing like that ever existed. 
 >>Why?  Indians, Japanese and Italians are being compensated 
 >>for acknowledge mistakes of the past!  Why is it you're in 
 >>favor of forgetting and forgiving?  Isn't that kind of 
 >>position and offer supposed to come from those who suffered 
 >>the harms? 
 >> 
 >>  Here, let me put it even more clearly.  Let's suppose that 
 >>someone walked up behind you and began beating you over the 
 >>head.  Let's say that that person, then shows up in court 
 >>and says to you, "I'm sorry I did that to you, now you must 
 >>forgive me and let bygones be bygones!"  Would that cut the 
 >>mustard with you? 
 > 
 >Please refrain from publishing your books nyc.xxx. In the future a 
 >simple reply of "Look, I'm a stupid  anarchist" will just about sum up 
 >everything you have to say on any subject. 
 > 
 >Thank ya, thank ya very much (in my best Elvis voice.0 
 > 
 >>  Obwon 
 > 
  
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   Obwon 
  
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