XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:29:35 GMT, Phil 
  wrote: 
  
 >On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:11:42 GMT, slim  wrote: 
 > 
 > 
 >>> In order for a DAT to be issued, the police officer must personally 
 >>> witness the crime being committed. 
 >> 
 >>Alleged crime. You may plead not guilty to a DAT. 
 > 
 >So, then, until a person is convicted of a crime, he is not a 
 >criminal.  Is this what you're saying? 
 > 
 > 
 >Phil 
 > 
   What country do you come from?  Why would you think 
 otherwise?  You seem to think that simply because a 
 policeman alleges that he witnessed a crime, that's it? 
 It's a conviction?  No wonder you're such a staunch 
 supporter of Giuliani, you have no concept of how American 
 law works or why it is arranged that way! 
  
   Now we know, Giuliani supporter are terribly ignorant and 
 unable to comprehend, or even willing inform themselves of 
 what the American system of justice requires and why. 
  
   Meanwhile, any person whose read a little history would 
 know that to make the police, judge, jury and executioner, 
 would hardly yield the right to claim that the country is 
 free.  That is the exact description of a police state!  And 
 that is precisely what your posts always imply that you 
 believe is the correct way to administer matters at law. 
  
   Why not do us all a favor and better inform yourself 
 before you attempt to argue things about which you clearly 
 know nothing?  Do a google on Arrest, Trial, Criminal 
 Charges, Guilt, Innocense and try to figure it out.  There 
 is a distinct possibility that using those search terms 
 you'll come upon a few websites that will help you 
 understand why we do things the way we do in America. 
  
   Obwon 
  
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