XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:47:11 GMT, dashaun345@aol.com wrote: 
  
 > 
 > 
 >Obwon wrote: 
 > 
 >>   And LEO is trying to say that law abiding blacks welcomed 
 >> that kind of attention and police action because it was 
 >> keeping the nabe safe.  I guess he forgot about what 
 >> happened to a law abiding black man who tried to draw his 
 >> wallet with his id in it.  I guess he's also forgotten what 
 >> happened to another law abiding black man who tried to catch 
 >> a cab after work. 
 >> 
 >>   Perhaps LEO doesn't know how the street crimes units were 
 >> working.  I saw it first hand in the Bronx, needless to say 
 >> it was disgusting!  I saw, for example, where they would 
 >> stand by the turnstyles and exit gates at Fordham Road Grand 
 >> Concourse and order all young black and hispanic males over 
 >> against the wall for no reason.  These kids were returning 
 >> from school or work and/or some were going home to change 
 >> for work or to go visiting. 
 >> 
 >>   They would be held against the wall for as much as half an 
 >> hour while the police took their sweet time searching them. 
 >> All the while people exiting the subway would see them being 
 >> held and searched, and have to try to guess if they'd done 
 >> something wrong or not.  Talk about needless humiliation! 
 >> If the kids complained that they'd already been searched 
 >> elsewheres, even just minutes ago, they were likely to 
 >> experience rougher going, the police have a large bag of 
 >> tricks they can and do dip into to silence complainers. 
 >> 
 >>   Then, I went up to the street and lo and behold, not two 
 >> blocks away, just around a corner, I see twenty more kids 
 >> lined up against a wall.  It's quite likely that some of 
 >> these kids were the same ones already searched exiting the 
 >> subway. 
 >> 
 >>   In any event I heard nothing good about these searches, 
 >> kids and young adults were being stopped so frequently it 
 >> was almost impossible for them to navigate the streets.  Not 
 >> to mention those who were charged with resisting arrest, 
 >> disorderly conduct etc., for merely protesting their 
 >> treatment.  It was a godawful mess that would not have been 
 >> tolerated in say; Midwood, Howard Beach, The East or West 
 >> Village or the Upper East Side where merchants and residents 
 >> alike would have breathed a hot breath of fire at city hall. 
 >> 
 >>   But, none of this kind of thing was reported.  The media 
 >> sent no reporter into these poor nabes to find out how 
 >> people felt about these new safe neighborhood programs.  I 
 >> guess they already knew, or they could get the skinny by 
 >> simply droping a line to the good ol' Manhattan Institute 
 >> hey? 
 >> 
 >>   Obwon 
 > 
 >Nobody should receive special treatment because of their 
 >skin color or gender. 
 > 
   Now there's a "Manhattan Institute" line if I ever heard 
 one!  While it is true that this nation should try to treat 
 all people equally, the fact is they have been unable to 
 implement such a noble ideal for quite some time.  Like 
 perhaps two centuries? 
  
   Soooooo, what's a fair minded nation to do?  Well, what 
 was being tried was to attempt to make up for the horrendous 
 difficulties that caused!  An attempt to acknowledge the 
 past and make the effort to recompense the victims for their 
 suffering. 
  
   But statements like that one you just made, does nothing 
 to acknowledge the past.  In fact it tends to say that we 
 should go forward as if nothing like that ever existed. 
 Why?  Indians, Japanese and Italians are being compensated 
 for acknowledge mistakes of the past!  Why is it you're in 
 favor of forgetting and forgiving?  Isn't that kind of 
 position and offer supposed to come from those who suffered 
 the harms? 
  
   Here, let me put it even more clearly.  Let's suppose that 
 someone walked up behind you and began beating you over the 
 head.  Let's say that that person, then shows up in court 
 and says to you, "I'm sorry I did that to you, now you must 
 forgive me and let bygones be bygones!"  Would that cut the 
 mustard with you? 
  
   Obwon 
  
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