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  Msg # 2234 of 2619 on ZZNY4433, Thursday 9-28-22, 8:51  
  From: OBWON  
  To: LIBERTY@ONCE.NET  
  Subj: Re: MORE Ghouliani Corruption Exposed  
 XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: ob110ob@att.net 
  
 On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:21:04 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" 
  wrote: 
  
 >"slim"  wrote in message 
 >news:3FCBAB98.721E46BA@nyc.rr.com... 
 >> 
 >> Phil wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:37:53 GMT, ob110ob@att.net (Obwon) wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> > >>> >> Bullyani made it a point to order people arrested for the most 
 >minor 
 >> > >>> >> victimless violations, such as drinking beer or smoking pot, 
 >jaywalking, 
 >> > >>> >> or 
 >> > >>> >> even not having a bell on one's bicycle. 
 >> > 
 >> > >  Okay, go ahead and name the law you think they broke! 
 >> > >You might try to post a little support for any claim you 
 >> > >make, seeing as how you've long since surrendered your 
 >> > >credibility. 
 >> > 
 >> > Drinking in public isn't against the law?  Isn't marijuana a 
 >> > controlled substance? 
 >> 
 >> THOUSANDS were stopped and frisked just because they were 
 >> not White, That is an outrage! 
 > 
 >It happened to me, and my skin IS white. 
 > 
 >This is just as outrageous as if it were not, as it is a violation of our 
 >fundamental Constitutional rights. Racism was a factor in many of 
 >Ghouliani's antisocial depradations, but the cops had to target at least a 
 >few whites to try to show it was not racially motivated. 
 > 
 >My stop and frisk is among the experiences that proved to me beyond doubt 
 >that Tyrant Ghouliani is a dangerous fascist with no respect whatsoever for 
 >our Constitution and the principles of freedom upon which America was 
 >founded. 
 > 
 >If there is any justice at all, his prostate cancer will return - 
 > 
 > 
   And LEO is trying to say that law abiding blacks welcomed 
 that kind of attention and police action because it was 
 keeping the nabe safe.  I guess he forgot about what 
 happened to a law abiding black man who tried to draw his 
 wallet with his id in it.  I guess he's also forgotten what 
 happened to another law abiding black man who tried to catch 
 a cab after work. 
  
   Perhaps LEO doesn't know how the street crimes units were 
 working.  I saw it first hand in the Bronx, needless to say 
 it was disgusting!  I saw, for example, where they would 
 stand by the turnstyles and exit gates at Fordham Road Grand 
 Concourse and order all young black and hispanic males over 
 against the wall for no reason.  These kids were returning 
 from school or work and/or some were going home to change 
 for work or to go visiting. 
  
   They would be held against the wall for as much as half an 
 hour while the police took their sweet time searching them. 
 All the while people exiting the subway would see them being 
 held and searched, and have to try to guess if they'd done 
 something wrong or not.  Talk about needless humiliation! 
 If the kids complained that they'd already been searched 
 elsewheres, even just minutes ago, they were likely to 
 experience rougher going, the police have a large bag of 
 tricks they can and do dip into to silence complainers. 
  
   Then, I went up to the street and lo and behold, not two 
 blocks away, just around a corner, I see twenty more kids 
 lined up against a wall.  It's quite likely that some of 
 these kids were the same ones already searched exiting the 
 subway. 
  
   In any event I heard nothing good about these searches, 
 kids and young adults were being stopped so frequently it 
 was almost impossible for them to navigate the streets.  Not 
 to mention those who were charged with resisting arrest, 
 disorderly conduct etc., for merely protesting their 
 treatment.  It was a godawful mess that would not have been 
 tolerated in say; Midwood, Howard Beach, The East or West 
 Village or the Upper East Side where merchants and residents 
 alike would have breathed a hot breath of fire at city hall. 
  
   But, none of this kind of thing was reported.  The media 
 sent no reporter into these poor nabes to find out how 
 people felt about these new safe neighborhood programs.  I 
 guess they already knew, or they could get the skinny by 
 simply droping a line to the good ol' Manhattan Institute 
 hey? 
  
   Obwon 
  
 --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 
  * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) 

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