XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
  
 Obwon wrote: 
  
 >   And LEO is trying to say that law abiding blacks welcomed 
 > that kind of attention and police action because it was 
 > keeping the nabe safe.  I guess he forgot about what 
 > happened to a law abiding black man who tried to draw his 
 > wallet with his id in it.  I guess he's also forgotten what 
 > happened to another law abiding black man who tried to catch 
 > a cab after work. 
 > 
 >   Perhaps LEO doesn't know how the street crimes units were 
 > working.  I saw it first hand in the Bronx, needless to say 
 > it was disgusting!  I saw, for example, where they would 
 > stand by the turnstyles and exit gates at Fordham Road Grand 
 > Concourse and order all young black and hispanic males over 
 > against the wall for no reason.  These kids were returning 
 > from school or work and/or some were going home to change 
 > for work or to go visiting. 
 > 
 >   They would be held against the wall for as much as half an 
 > hour while the police took their sweet time searching them. 
 > All the while people exiting the subway would see them being 
 > held and searched, and have to try to guess if they'd done 
 > something wrong or not.  Talk about needless humiliation! 
 > If the kids complained that they'd already been searched 
 > elsewheres, even just minutes ago, they were likely to 
 > experience rougher going, the police have a large bag of 
 > tricks they can and do dip into to silence complainers. 
 > 
 >   Then, I went up to the street and lo and behold, not two 
 > blocks away, just around a corner, I see twenty more kids 
 > lined up against a wall.  It's quite likely that some of 
 > these kids were the same ones already searched exiting the 
 > subway. 
 > 
 >   In any event I heard nothing good about these searches, 
 > kids and young adults were being stopped so frequently it 
 > was almost impossible for them to navigate the streets.  Not 
 > to mention those who were charged with resisting arrest, 
 > disorderly conduct etc., for merely protesting their 
 > treatment.  It was a godawful mess that would not have been 
 > tolerated in say; Midwood, Howard Beach, The East or West 
 > Village or the Upper East Side where merchants and residents 
 > alike would have breathed a hot breath of fire at city hall. 
 > 
 >   But, none of this kind of thing was reported.  The media 
 > sent no reporter into these poor nabes to find out how 
 > people felt about these new safe neighborhood programs.  I 
 > guess they already knew, or they could get the skinny by 
 > simply droping a line to the good ol' Manhattan Institute 
 > hey? 
 > 
 >   Obwon 
  
 Nobody should receive special treatment because of their 
 skin color or gender. 
  
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