XPost: alt.government.abuse, nyc.general, nyc.politics 
 From: dogglebe@yahoooo.com 
  
 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:14:56 GMT, slim  wrote: 
  
 > 
 > 
 >Obwon wrote: 
 >> 
 >> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:29:35 GMT, Phil 
 >>  wrote: 
 >> 
 >> >On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:11:42 GMT, slim  wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> >>> In order for a DAT to be issued, the police officer must personally 
 >> >>> witness the crime being committed. 
 >> >> 
 >> >>Alleged crime. You may plead not guilty to a DAT. 
 >> > 
 >> >So, then, until a person is convicted of a crime, he is not a 
 >> >criminal.  Is this what you're saying? 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> >Phil 
 >> > 
 >>   What country do you come from?  Why would you think 
 >> otherwise?  You seem to think that simply because a 
 >> policeman alleges that he witnessed a crime, that's it? 
 >> It's a conviction?  No wonder you're such a staunch 
 >> supporter of Giuliani, you have no concept of how American 
 >> law works or why it is arranged that way! 
 >> 
 >Phil and his ilk are those who profess that they "have nothing 
 >to hide" andn that lets them suspend the Constitution, the 
 >Bill of Rights and the American Way for everyone else. 
 > 
 >No wonder Phil is such a big Giuliani fan, since Rudy tries 
 >to make himself bigger than life every chance he gets! 
  
 I'll have to remember this the next time you guys say Bush, Cheney and 
 Giuliani are crooks and should be in jail.  After all, they haven't 
 been arrested and charged with anything. 
  
 It's good to know that you guys take OFR's side when his posts include 
 how police kill innocent people.  You know the ones, when police 
 arrive at a crime in progress and must return fire at criminals 
 (alledged criminals) in self defense.  After all, the dead were never 
 convicted in court. 
  
  
 Phil 
  
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