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 From: rider.ca@nospam.mindspring.com 
  
 On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:15:23 -0700, Deborah  
 wrote: 
  
 >On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:53:59 GMT, "Nancy"  wrote: 
 > 
 >>"Mike"  wrote in message 
 >>news:t8e090l05q48l5pl033th192afku4it7h8@4ax.com... 
 >> 
 >>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:32:50 -0700, Deborah  
 >>> wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> >On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:02:26 GMT, "Nancy"  
 >>wrote: 
 >>> > 
 >>> >>"Deborah"  wrote in message 
 >>> >>news:fo4g801s8kl49frivd3ght3uokejdcb7jh@4ax.com... 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >>> Our newsgroup is carried by talk, and we are having problems 
 >>with 
 >>> >>> trolls from another group who have more or less hijacked the 
 >>group 
 >>> >>so 
 >>> >>> that it no longer serves the purpose set out in the charter. 
 >>This 
 >>> >>has 
 >>> >>> been going on for a long time and the best efforts of those who 
 >>are 
 >>> >>in 
 >>> >>> the group for legitimate purposes to keep the group on track 
 >>have 
 >>> >>> failed. 
 >>> >>> 
 >>> >>> Is there a procedure for closing a newsgroup? 
 >>> >>> 
 >>> >>> Deborah 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >>The situation on the newsgroup is NOT as represented by Deborah. 
 >>The 
 >>> >>newsgroup has not been hijacked. Is there a way to STOP someone 
 >>who is 
 >>> >>attempting to close down a newsgroup out of personal pique? 
 >>> >> 
 >>> >>Nancy 
 >>> > 
 >>> >Nancy, if you enjoy the people from eots, why don't you JOIN eots 
 >>and 
 >>> >talk to them over there?   Just don't try to discuss the course 
 >>over 
 >>> >there, because it's not the topic. 
 >> 
 >>I would, but to join eots I'd have to agree with the teachings of eots 
 >>and I don't. I've been a course student for significantly more than a 
 >>quarter of a century because I believe what's in the course. 
 >>Literally. 
 >> 
 >>The truth is, for the most part, most of the people who are here from 
 >>eots are fairly long-time course students who were here before they 
 >>joined the eots mailing list, and they're here to see old friends and 
 >>to discuss the course. I don't see anything wrong with that. 
 >> 
 >>The course tells me these people are my brothers. I believe that. 
 >> 
 >>It tells me that attack has no foundation. I believe that. 
 >> 
 >>It tells me that if I change any aspect of a problem, I will remove 
 >>myself from the solution. I believe that. 
 >> 
 >>It tells me that forgiveness will bring the miracle of healing. I 
 >>believe that. 
 >> 
 >>As a matter of fact, as long as I have been around the course on the 
 >>Net and as long as I have known some of you, I have to admit to being 
 >>somewhat surprised and maybe a little sad that, of all the long-time 
 >>course students on here, the only ones that seem even remotely 
 >>interested in TRYING course principles out on this dilemma are Carrie 
 >>and the people you've identified (rightly or wrongly) as "eots." 
 >> 
 >>I have to ask... why in the heck are you wasting your time on 
 >>something called "A Course in Miracles" when you don't even have the 
 >>faith that the principles outlined in the course just maybe have a 
 >>chance of being true -- just maybe have a chance of actually working? 
 >>Why not take up chess or multi-level marketing or form a cadre in 
 >>support of St. Jude (who, by the way, should never be under-rated)? 
 >> 
 >>Deborah, I'm not disappointed in you personally, please don't think I 
 >>am. It's just that something about this whole issue makes me just 
 >>unbelievably sad. 
 >> 
 >>Nancy 
 > 
 >You are not only disappointed with me Nancy, but you outright lie 
 >about my motivations for doing this.  I'm doing this because I have a 
 >thought in my brain for the newbies who think they are coming to an 
 >ACIM discussion group, and aren't.  If eots takes over, they are 
 >coming to a group led by a man whose limits I have absolutely no idea 
 >of.  He doesn't seem to have any.  I *know* him to be a liar, myself, 
 >personally.  He has lied about me. 
  
 This is interesting, Deborah. And very typical of you, frankly. Within 
 just one paragraph you have managed to accuse two people of lying. 
 This is why I told you yesterday that I have heard Wayne's side of the 
 story of the problem between you two, and have heard your side, and I 
 believe Wayne. You see far too many liars in your life. 
  
 >It is not the course I am trying to protect.  It is the people who 
 >come to the newsgroup expecting to find an ACIM discussion. 
  
 And your theory is that people who come tothe newsgroup expecting to 
 find an ACIM discussion should find you? Wiht barely any exceptions, 
 the complaints and accusations of lying that you have been posting in 
 the last couple days is pretty much what you've BEEN posting for a 
 long, long time. 
  
  
 > 
 >Katie is such an obvious troll that no newbie could possibly mistake 
 >her for an ACIM student/teacher.  The eots people are quite a 
 >different ballgame.  They *sound* a little bit coursey, even though 
 >they aren't. 
 > 
 >Newbies will be totally confused by them. 
 > 
 >Deborah (BC) 
  
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