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 cfojoe wrote: 
  
 >I am looking for Hungarian living relatives and genealogical 
 >information of my grandparents that are from  Kiralyhaza or Verocze 
 >Ugosca 
  
 Ugocsa ("oo-gotcha") 
  
 >now in the Ukraine called Korolevo Zakarpatskaya, Szokefalva, 
 >now called Seuca, Romania.. 
  
 Can it be that "Seuca" is actually Valea Seaca? Seemingly less 
 than 10 km from Kir€lyh€za/Korolevo, but on the other side of 
 the Ukrainian-Rumanian border. Have you ever contacted state 
 archives in Beregovo and Hust (the closest major localities to 
 Vinogradov)? As for the locality which is now in Romania, I 
 guess contacting city hall and archive authorities in Sighetul 
 Marmatiei or in Baia Mare and perhaps in Satu Mare would be of 
 some help. 
  
 >My Internet search for the surname BILCZE has turned up nothing. May 
 >be BILECZ. 
  
 Also take into consideration the modern Hung. spelling Bilce 
 and Bilec (at the same time, these are the Slavic spellings, 
 i.g. in Slovakian). It is highly probable that your name is 
 a Slavic one, Bilec ("bee-lets") (or Bjelec? ("byeh-lets")). 
 A Slavic newsgroup will give you good explanations on this 
 (esp. Slovak, Ukrainian, Czech, Polish). 
  
 And, of course, Hungarian newsgroups as well. 
  
 >brother Lazidlo came later to Alliance also. 
  
 L€szl€ or Ladislaus or Vladislav 
  
 >According to a map, Verocze and Kiralyhaza are very close in location. 
 >Kiralyhaza is now in the Ukraine called Korolevo Zakarpatskaya 23.8 
 >longitude and 48.9 latitude. Korolevo is 7km from Vinogradov 
  
 i.e. a few km from the Ukrainian-Hungarian-Romanian border 
  
 >My grandfathers father was head of the train station and his brother 
 >Janos was an officer in the military. They were of Orthodox or Greek 
 >Catholic faith. They were a well off family. May be related to an 
 >1800's catholic bishop. 
  
 Then your ethnic background might be rather Ukrainian or 
 Rumanian, i.e. of Magyarized Ukrainians or Rumanians. 
  
 >LAST FIRST TOWN NUMBER ADD1 ADD2 ADD3 
  
 [snip list] 
  
 Well, most of those included in the list do have something 
 related to the Ugocsa-Maram€ros/Maramuresh area or neighboring 
 areas (even if only the name of the street, such as "Bihari 
 utca"). Highly probable that some of them are relatives of 
 yours. 
  
 >Joe Bilcze 
  
 Olga 
  
 PS: I see you've already put your questions in various genealogy 
 groups. 
  
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