XPost: rec.photo.digital 
 From: nop@alt.net 
  
 Kibo informs me that Jeremy Nixon  stated that: 
  
 >Lionel   wrote: 
 > 
 >> Does the E20 have a mirror that routes the image from the lens between 
 >> the image plane & the viewfinder? - If so, all it's an SLR, according to 
 >> all the photography textbooks on my bookshelf, & having a digital 
 >> imaging sensor makes it a DSLR, & on-topic in RPDS by any rational 
 >> measure, IMO. 
 > 
 >Okay, but can you explain why you think it's a good idea to divide 
 >discussion based on this trivial technical point that is essentially 
 >never a topic of discussion? 
  
 Because if the group is named rec.photo.digital.slr, then it should be 
 be inclusive of any kind of digital SLR. I don't have a problem with the 
 *inclusion* of digital rangefinders, but *excluding* one tiny 
 subcategory of genuine digital SLRs is politically stupid, & I believe 
 that it'll result in lots of recurring flamage. Given that nobody has 
 shown any reason to believe that including cameras like the E20 would in 
 any way harm the group, I think that that exclusion is strong evidence 
 in favour of the claims that the group is intended to be elitist. IMO, 
 one of the biggest problems with RPE3 is that too many people treat it 
 as being a group only for the elite, resulting in huge amounts of 
 unneccessary conflict (eg; the poor woman who was flamed to bits for 
 asking for advice on buying lenses for her Sigma film SLR). I don't want 
 that sort of culture in the new group, & I will regretfully vote against 
 it on that basis. 
  
 >  Or, why an E20 user would want to use 
 >the proposed group instead of one where people will be more likely 
 >to share his concerns and have answers to his questions other than 
 >"get yourself a real camera, son"? 
  
 The "get yourself a real camera" attitude is *exactly* why I'm worried 
 about the current charter. I want a charter that *doesn't* imply that 
 that is an acceptable response to somebody who merely wants to discuss a 
 camera that, according to any reasonable interpretation of the group 
 name, is a legitimate topic of discussion in that group. Sure, there 
 will inevitably be people who behave snobbishly, but the last thing we 
 need is to encourage them - particularly not with a little hidden 
 booby-trap buried in the charter.  It merely provides ammunition to 
 group regulars who want to bully newbies, who aren't going to be 
 familiar with the charter until somebody slaps them across the face with 
 it. 
  
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