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 Thad  writes: 
  
 > Bruce Murphy wrote: 
 > 
 > > Thad  writes: 
 > > 
 > > > Bruce Murphy wrote: 
 > > > 
 > > > > So it's that they're more expensive *when you buy the proper lenses 
 so 
 > > > > you can do _real_ photography* 
 > > > 
 > > > Nah. Everyone knows that a $60 50mm/1.8 gives better optics than many 
 > > > $500 zoom lenses. It is not about cost. 
 > > 
 > > But you wanted to include rangefinders becasue they were high end. 
 > 
 > No - because they are body-lens systems. You are misleading people and 
 > fabricating misrepresentations of my intentions. 
  
 fabricating misrepresentations? Do you feel they're not /real/ 
 mispresentations? 
  
 > > You 
 > > wanted to exclude SLRs without completely interchangeable lenses 
 > > because they're not flexible enough, except that things which /have/ 
 > > extra lenses don't count because they're 'low end' 
 > 
 > My digital SLR is "low-end". There are low-end, middle-end, and high-end 
 > digital SLR bodies. 
  
 That's a lovely position to fall back on, and I've watched you fall 
 back onto it several times. It doesn't in any way change your 
 displayed attitude towards point and shoot cameras which you 
 presumably consider entirely beneath your notice as with the different 
 photographic issues impacting people using systems with so much less 
 flexibility and capability. 
  
 > > 
 > > A digital SLR with a fixed high quality 50mm lens wouldn't count as 
 > > high end enough to qualify 
 > 
 > I doubt any manufaturer would ever create such a machine, but it would 
 > not be included because it does not offer a body-lens system - not 
 > because it wouldn't be high-end according to your standards. 
  
 Not /my/ standards, your standards. To not include something with as 
 precise an overlap with other DSLRs because one can't change the 
 lenses on it is ridiculous. 
  
 > > interestingly enough, so one lens 
 > > obviously falls outside your definition of 'high end' regardless of 
 > > its quality of optics. 
 > 
 > No. You are misleading people and misrepresenting my views, 
 > intentionally. 
  
 It would be a terrible thing if it happened accidentally. 
  
 B> 
  
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