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  Msg # 146 of 32000 on ZZNE4431, Saturday 5-12-23, 11:58  
  From: MATTHEW MONTCHALIN  
  To: ALL  
  Subj: Re: rec.pets.cats.breeds  
 XPost: alt.cats, rec.pets.cats.health+behav 
 From: mmontcha@OregonVOS.net 
  
 On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Misty9999 wrote: 
 |On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:38:56 -0700, Matthew Montchalin 
 | wrote: 
 | 
 |>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 XYZ@XYZinvalid.com wrote: 
 |>|The rescue people don't realize how much purebred cat owners and 
 |>|reputable breeders HATE the backyard breeders. 
 |> 
 |>Hm.  Do reputable breeders actually take their cats' offspring to 
 |>veterinarians for DNA testing?  I'd think their reputations actually 
 |>depend on more than just a wink and a handshake, but on independently 
 |>verifiable credentials. 
 | 
 |I am not a breeder. I have not yet heard of DNA testing. 
  
 It ought to cost something in the $50 to $99 range, like a urinalysis 
 test for humans.  Surely different organizations offer different 
 degrees of services for certifying a lineage. 
  
 |Maine Coon breeders carefully check their studs and queens for cardio 
 |and hip problems. 
  
 Okay. 
  
 |The whole idea is to try to eliminate genetic defects that are 
 |common to the breed. 
  
 Breeding for strength and health is thereby facilitated. 
  
 |I am totally ignorant of how " new " breeds are created. 
  
 This something that could be discussed in us.support.cat-registries, 
 not just rec.pet.cat.breeding.  You don't suppose that fraud runs 
 rampant in certain organizations that guarantee the lineages that 
 are inherent in the pedigrees awarded? 
  
 |>|The problem is with a certain " militant " type of rescue worker 
 |>|who can't deal with the idea that some people ONLY want a certain 
 |>|type of purebred. 
 |> 
 |>I wish I had my purebred albino tabby back...  It's a long story... 
 |> 
 |>|They take the position that every home given to a purebred is one 
 |>|less home for a moggie. In their eyes , you are a " cat killer. " 
 |>| 
 |>|I suspect that is the main reason for the proposal of 
 |>|rec.pets.cats.breeds. 
  
 hmm 
  
 |>|The real question: Are there enough owners and breeders to support 
 |>|the group NOW? Over the years many people have left newsgroups 
 |>|because of the hostility encountered over this issue. Will they 
 |>|come back? I guess we will find out if and when there is a vote 
 |>|for rec.pets.cats.breeds 
 |> 
 |>It will produce an interesting result.  I was thinking of abstaining 
 |>until Arthur said he'd probably vote yes, so I am tempted to vote 
 |>yes, too.  I still am uncertain how these organizations maintain 
 |>their registries, though.  Are they judging these cats on their 
 |>genetic makeup, or on whether they are winners of cat shows? 
 | 
 |Genetic makeup, as I understand it. 
  
 Then DNA sampling ought to be a good thing, even if a little on the 
 expensive side. 
  
 |Once a breed has been accepted into one of the organizations , 
 |it must conform to certain standards. 
  
 Well, certain organizations might be a lot more reputable than others. 
  
 |Breeders take the cats that they think will win to the shows. 
  
 Based on appearance, I suppose. 
  
 |ALL purebred cats are in the registry. 
  
 If an owner can show that her cat shares the relevant DNA, she could 
 compel the organization to have her cat recorded?  Assuming the fee 
 is paid? 
  
 |There is little difference in looks and no difference in temperament 
 |between " show " cats , breeder cats, and pet quality cats. 
  
 I've noticed that different cats have different personalities.  This 
 may not be a factor in winning a "show" but there may be a genetic 
 basis to the cat's personality.  With enough DNA samples, modern 
 science might realize a new discovery or two. 
  
 |Unless a buyer is planning on breeding or showing , all the cats that 
 |are sold are pet quality. 
  
 This may turn around if it can be shown that a cat's personality 
 does have an identifiable genetic characteristic underlying it. 
  
 |Very few people want to get involved in breeding or showing. It is an 
 |expensive and time consuming endeavor. 
  
 It can be a lot of work restricting access to your cats if you allow 
 them to roam around in your south forty, a couple hundred miles from 
 civilization. 
  
 --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 
  * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) 

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