XPost: linux.debian.bugs.dist 
 From: sthibault@debian.org 
  
 Rimas Kudelis, le mer. 15 oct. 2025 13:47:23 +0300, a ecrit: 
 > 2025-10-15 10:01, Samuel Thibault ra€€€€: 
 > > Rimas Kudelis, le mer. 15 oct. 2025 08:20:44 +0300, a ecrit: 
 > > > > > * keyboard-configuration/optionscode: 
 > > > > > grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll 
 > > > > 
 > > > > Could you try to change in /etc/default/keyboard: 
 > > > > 
 > > > > XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" 
 > > > > 
 > > > > into 
 > > > > 
 > > > > XKBOPTIONS="grp:lalt_lshift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" 
 > > > > 
 > > > > (two additional 'l' to enable only alt-shift and not altgr-shift) 
 > > > 
 > > > Thanks! I've changed this and will see how it works after reboot. 
 > > 
 > > You don't need to reboot, you can just run setupcon to apply the change. 
 > 
 > I ended up rebooting. I don't know if pressing Ctrl+C in a terminal I 
 > haven't logged in into should trigger this, but I played with my keyboard 
 > after changing the setting (including pressing Ctrl+C), and eventually even 
 > that shortcut stopped working, as well as Ctrl+Alt+Fx. Ctrl+Alt+Del ended 
 up 
 > being my savior. 
  
 That doesn't seem like it could be related with the change to 
 lalt_lshift_toggle. I have no idea what could have happened, it's not 
 supposed to anyway. 
  
 > > > I also wonder if the combination of grp:alt_shift_toggle and 
 > > > level3/4 shift 
 > > > on AltGr works differently in X/Wayland. 
 > > 
 > > It does work, but only by chance because the low-level engine is 
 > > different. 
 > 
 > I see. Good thing I usually use Win+Space to switch between keymaps/input 
 > methods. Maybe it would make sense for console-setup in Debian to default 
 to 
 > grp:win_space_toggle as well? 
  
 I don't think we want to change a default without polling people on a 
 larger scale (I don't know how the current default was determined, but 
 the description seems to say it was not chosen randomly). 
  
 Samuel 
  
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